How many blogspot backlinks would be to much at first? Or in the wrong ratio?

10k is a lot but not compared to the 40-50k overall in the example.

I read you said that nothing external would hurt my site but others have said that if you have to many “spammy” backlinks it would affect the white hat site. True?

Thanks!

You don’t know how bad I need links right now

I’m currently writting a script for the 100 links / hour technique and I’ll definitely try BloggerGenerator (or write something myself).

I’m still intrigued by the possibility of mass numbers of relevant links (I assume one-way). I’ve been researching this for a few months now and the only things I can think of that are white-hat enough is either linkbaiting through social sites or some sort of RSS feeds (but not like the ones in the 100links/h post). I don’t suppose doing a backlink analysis of the #1 site and e-mailing every site owner in the list still works….

I’m not too sure though because the black hat vs white hat scenario mentions how the site lost it’s momentum which I don’t think is very applicable to these two methods.

Anyway, I guess I’ll just have to wait for Eli’s post.

Thanks again Eli & kansieo, I appreciate it!

Also, I don’t suppose anyone’s heard of a blogspot account creating software?

Thx,

Alex

1) A valuable marketing/PR concept

2) Two very different ways of working. Those passionate and serious about their craft study both, and in detail.

Working ain’t whining. It’s paying the bills and hopefully having some fun along the way, one way or another paying the bills and sleeping easy at night.

Myself, sure I keep the “report abuse” addys among my many bookmarked tools. They go under a folder titled “ratting / being a lil’ bitch” that I keep for political protocol coverage. Like if/as situations ever arise that I’ll need to tell someone “OK, we’ve called to the mountain now. This isn’t an avelanche, so let’s nobody go batshit. Stop calling Sherpa and let him think and get to work.” Assuming that service commitment is something that’s been sold in, that is.

WHWs should read the bit about “framing” (no, not HTML frames) in Aaron Wall’s book, and also Rand’s concession about “keep my house” in his WH/BH debate with EarlGray of Syndk8.

Good shit, good shit man.

I’m pretty white, out of ignorance and fear of upsetting google mostly, but I’ld be happy to be blue.

Should I just start buying too (but where does he find these great pr4 domains with yahoo and loads of other respectable links?) Or what other blue hat techique would you recommend to stop him taking over from me in the serps.

“Given a long enough plane each sledder will at one point reach their terminal velocity.”

I found this interesting in light of the “One is going down a straight 45degree angle hill and the other is going down a steady bell curve” example above.

Thanks again for your 100% generous consideration of all of us willing to learn.

After reading your comments now, the whole thing is starting to make much more sense to me. Actually, I read your SERP Domination post after reading this one (my mistake sorry). Now it seems more clear how we are supposed to combine your different methods in the altogether plan.

Just one thing, would be great to understand precisely what you are refering to when talking about a “website´s momentum”.

Keep it up! =)

Often times you are right, very rarely can the average white hatter combat a blackhatter with a white hat site. In the story I did not specify a time frame between events. So this could of happened over a year or over a month. So link velocity is not really in question in this particular example although it is a factor just due to the fact that he “rose quickly.”

So if we’re talking strictly theory here. Lets assume he had high link velocity because he was gaining quickly. Perhaps a real life physics example would explain it best. You have two lugers on the same sled going down two different hills. One is going down a straight 45degree angle hill and the other is going down a steady bell curve(where the decline drops quickly but then levels out). Given a long enough plane each sledder will at one point reach their terminal velocity. So which sledder will make it to the finish line first? It depends on the length of the track. The same principle could be applied to SEO world and reaching the top of the SERPS. You have two sites that are both going to gain X amount of links with the exact same sites that are all ranked within slots 1-N. The sites at the top will give you more authority quicker, but will eventually plateu and the link velocity will start to level off and eventually almost plateu. Where as starting from the bottom and gaining links going up the totem pole will start off slowly but the velocity will raise with each new link. So the same physics example above would naturally apply. Which method of link velocity will get you to the top of the SERPS the first? It depends on how many sites you are talking about (the length of the track)and how high up it goes(the amount of authority given by the top sites).

From the story’s point of view its impossible to tell which link order he went in to achieve his remarkable results. It can be assumed that he went with the 45degree approach because he did not initialy approach the white hat for a link. Also, it was said that the other white hat sites below him fought amongst themselves and couldn’t compete with the top site. So my guess is that he started from the bottom and worked his way up, with each link his velocity grew and grew which is why the white hatter didn’t notice him until it was nearly too late. Because by that time his velocity was so high and gaining even faster than the white hatter could maintain himself. There was no sign of him slowing down. Which would of been implied if he started at the top and worked his way down. So yes, if you’re with me so far the BH got to #1 using his link velocity.

On to your next point. “How long does it take to see the effects of link velocity collapse?” The effect of course is only perceptive to a third party. Each site within the serps naturally has upward moment. Once they cross the finish line they will continue to coast due to the momentum sustained. So your site are only going to raise according to your own velocity vs their current momentum. This is why new sites tend to show up so quickly in the top 100. The rest of the sites below the top 100 have very low momentum and your site has such high velocity you pass them very quickly. However you can be gaining 10 positions/day at one point but once you reach the breaking point(top 25) it starts slowing down dramatically. This is due to the “relevant link brick wall” as mentioned in another post as well as your link velocity is coming close to matching their current momentum. No matter how fast your momentum is, sometimes you will encounter sites at the top whos current momentum is still higher than your velocity. Which is why the black hatter had to resort to drastic link boosts(using his blogspot accounts). Obviously the time it takes for the actual links to count is equal to the time it takes for them to get recognized by the engines, for their results to appear is only when they become live in the datacenters(impossible for us commoners to know). It all will eventually happen so its not so much when as how rapidly. People often make the mistake of only looking for links that already exist in the engines, or will exist. Why? You have just as much power as getting a document into the index as any other webmaster, whats wrong with getting a link placed and then forcing it into the index yourself through third party inbound links. This concept is perfectly described in my “Document Links” post as well as “link laundering sites.”

To get to the “would you just keep on building those blogs for incoming links?” point. The answer is apparent in my SERP Domination post as well as outlined in this post. Building up a secondary network is a primary key in gaining an authoritive boost(*see ref. keyword real estate post). However there is a cap to it if using it for link building. Lets say you create 10 spammy blogger accounts. This is dealable with blogger.com. You are well below their radar and chances are the blogs will stick given no outside influences. The same principle could be duplicated so you have 10,000 blogger accounts. The actual number doesn’t matter, its blogger’s threshhold that matters. Eventually they will start systematically deleting your blogs. The more you create the more footprints you leave. The more footprints you leave the faster they can be automatically deleted. Eventually you reach your terminal velocity and you are creating accounts just as fast as they are deleting them(talk to any power myspace spammer about that one). The blackhatter knew this. There was an obvious trade off between the velocity and link age. He knew he would soon need the “aged links” to maintain his rankings so he only made enough blogspot accounts to keep himself under the radar and he probably made them slowly and carefully with little or no footprints. He probably lost quite a few but once he reached 10k that was sticking he was smart and left them and didn’t build any more. This gave him just enough links to boost his link velocity upward without compromising his link age, which would help in keeping the momentum he would need later to maintain the rank consistantly.

I think that covered all except your last point, which could simply be answered by “it depends.” Go as high as you have to never as high as you can. As mentioned in the SERP domination post, you don’t have to be big you just have to be larger than everyone else.

Boy those were two long ass comments