Just wanted to say that although this is pretty obvious to me, it has sparked some new ideas that I will be working on. Thanks Eli.

Eli,

While this seems like common sense and might be totally true, I find it hard to swallow without any empirical proof–or at least some anecdotal evidence.

Gene

Duplicate is in the eye of the beholder… If you are clever enough you can use as much duplicate content as you want and get away with it, without changing a letter.. Personally I use duplicate content as an excuse for keywords instead of containing them.
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Im going to sound stupid now but please can you un-abbreviate AP? Thanks .

Another thought-provoking post, Eli! Makes me realise how much I need to learn some coding - I’m sure if can’t be hard to re-format content with php, can it?

AP means Associated Press

On the money again. It works wonders building feeders sites IMO. Have been able to run a bit of SERP domination in a couple markets with similar techniques.

Assuming I’m correct with this duplicate content is not duplicate until its found inside of a search engine, for instance if you come across a new post/article (block of content) kind of like how this post is new and you put it on your site, there is a chance you’ll never hit a duplicate filter.

This is because hypothetically speaking that the only way the search engines know you’ve stolen the content is if they’ve previously indexed that content, so content is not unique until the search engines index it, now I’ve already wrote this all out on Principle Of Marketing but I’ll keep going with it here.

We know that search engines are predictable, for instance if you write a new article once a week for a while the search engine spiders will learn that behaviour and only come around once or so per week to index the new content (Assuming your not doing anything else to bring the bots in). This means that if you monitor these types of sites with your own little bots you can potentially steal their content and never get a duplicate penalty.

Here is how it works, some site makes a post once per week, Google sends out their bots on average once per week to look for new content, you send out your own bots to this site once per day to check for unique content, the second your bot finds a new post you simply scrape that post, place it on your site and push as many search engine bots to your new post as quickly as possible.

What I’m getting at with this comment that turned out to be a mini blog post is if you can get new content indexed in the search engines before anyone else that content is unique to you even if you have stolen that content, simply because the search engines have to have something to compare it to in order to give you a duplicate penalty, if it hasen’t been indexed then its still unique.

Many feel the SE’s are using a shingle algorithm to detect dupe content. Is rearranging sentences or a thesaurus swap enough ?

I agree that many sites do rank for dupe content but I also think these sites have other strong factors that negate the dupe content penalty.

as always a very inspiring post. thank you eli.

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Now that is funny.

I haven’t actually tried to get spammy text into the index and get it to rank well, but this definitely gives me some things to think about.

Do you really think there’s some sort of correlation between dupe content and supplemental results?

Thanks guys
For the most part all this should fairly common sense. I just want to make sure its out of the way before I start talking about mass producing gray hat sites, so I don’t have to deal with a bunch of questions about duplicate content penalties. It’s a great reference post to have.

great post.
I actually had a post about all this. I think it was called Maintaining Rank Through manipulating Freshness Factors or something like that.

Quick question, thats kinda related and may actually have been answered somewhere else, but what software are you using to create the pdfs and keep the hyperlinked anchor text hyperlinked??

Ta muchly

Something I’ve tried is sourcing relevant content on non English sites, and translating it. It tends to need editing, otherwise the copy has a wonderful auto gen garbled spam feel to it. And of course it’s time consuming (unless it can be automated somehow?) - but for a beginner like myself it’s interesting to play with.

I have built sites like this and getting google to index them is easy peasy.

Getting links / traffic to them is not easy.

To make money with this stuff you need thousands and thousands of sites..

You need to build faster than you get banned… as a lot of your sites WILL get banned…

For that you need sophisticated automation on a level not discussed on this site.

Coming up with madcap schemes is easy enough… making money from them is not.

You are up against professional programmers / server admin’s / SEO’s with years of experience and a LOT of expertise and the right contacts.

Any noob who thinks they can go on E-lance with $100 and start earning with a script like this is seriously mistaken.

btw eli, you are ranking #1 with spammy text at google now

great posting

lol ranked number 1 for spammy text

hows about doing a search and replace for a term thats close to the original term… rinse and repeat…

BTW - im not convinced at google downplaying dupe content as articles do well, so do dmoz listings which seem to pop up every where.

and for the record we’re ranked #1 for seo cock LOL!

Does anyone know a good commenting system? It would be for HTML sites. I want to make it real.

1000’s of sites coming off the same block must figure negatively into the equation. How is it possible to control a few hundred sites let alone a thousand that come from unique subnets?

I have a few content scrapping sites, one is this: [6] http://relevantnews.net - how could they provide a benefit? I don’t know…

To me, the best way to turn a copy into an original document (in G’s eyes) is to add links. Google maintain a separate index for links only; if document A has a link and document B doesn’t have it, it is reasonable to assume that G will see them as different.

Besides, adding link has another advantage: it will make your page more informative than the original one. Take the keywords you want to target; find a relevant page related to that keyword; place the link and voila, you just created a better page than the original.

Use your own internal links to boost the new page (I assume you have original quality content with relevant links) and you will outrank the original page.

Some people forget that search engines do not buy products or sign up for services. I had a client (stressing the word “had”) who was adamant about using software to crank out pages and pages of keyword-based copy for his website.

The end result was a slight increase in search engine ranking for certain phrases … but his website now reads as though it were written by a 4-year-old.

I thought the search engines stripped out the html before reading it. If that is true then an Ordered List would look like a paragraph once the tags were removed. That would also apply to H headers.

If not, then you could put them in random divs, spans, tables, hr etc. Anything to break up the typical paragraph after paragraph. Is that true?

The comments idea is great!

I believe my scraper sites have been banned in Google based on my content. If I can just format it differently, then I am good to go!

Thanks!

My 3 web-sites with duped content have been banned away from google search data base, it is probably better to have a web-site with original content…

Or you can have someone rewrite the original content somehow… mazbe there could be some script to replace some synonym words…

Great post,

Obviously G penalizes dupe content, but I can’t believe that it’s as strictly as some would have you believe.

I hate spammers…

Says the man with 8 posts in 5 minutes - lol !

If you do write original content all the time, its quite an achivement.

I have been using the same technique on one of my sites after reading you article. I used a mixture of replacing some words, re-ordering the paragraphs and also the format as per your article. Seems to do the trick!

By changing the header this makes it different in the eyes of Google

According to Google Webmaster Tools, it doesn’t count duplicate content if it is the same article written in a different language. So, has anyone tried Mirroring a site in a different language.

I suggest using [7] http://translate.google.com you can be sure that G will register any translations and will be able to make trace backs.

One of my sites ranks well for dupe content with no changes at all to the original and has done for months.

This is dead on, we reprint content from multiple writers and even though it is duplicate content it still ranks. We do try to clean up the Title tag and the H1 on the page. The give the url a distinct url.

I see many outstanding businesses today that depend heavily on duplicate content, like lyrics sites, articles and ezines and many other, however google hates dup content and sooner or later it will filter out all the dups

Unless some actual human being reviews this articles, you will do what you intended, that is rank for the word spam!

Great ideas thanks

Duping content is pretty risky operation.

I had no idea it was this simple. Thanks.

It seems to be pretty good article, those tips are really useful to those who are beginners and don’t have much knowledge about writing. Everyone knows that copying content can drive you into problems. But, what i think is that copy/paste is not bad, only if the original source is credited.

Great article, as most of us have trouble with writing when we first start out. Always hard to continue to produce quality content. New people will continue to get better and better at writing content though.

I like it thanks for the post.

How to overcome the spam attack on our blogs and identify the spam comments. I used pdf’s too but the spammy commenter’s are so choosy to comment on all the open links in my blog.

Thats really useful, I will go to try what you said. Thanks

Nice posting!
great article.
i learn many things from this article.

Thanks

Google just want to make the web care of duplicate content. I am not sure their is any penalty to duplicate content.

I wonder if Google engineers laugh at bloggers because they believe in duplicate contents.

Amazing, i learn many things in this article, it’s really nice, keep it up……thanks

Readers can take the benefit of your thougts ………. Thanks

Boost links for your profitable business by the suggestion of this blog. I really keep it up.

Thanks for good article. I appreciate your thoughts and information presented at this time.

presented at this time.

On the money again. It works wonders building feeders sites IMO. Have been able to run a bit of SERP domination in a couple markets with similar techniques.

It seems to be pretty good article, those tips are really useful to those who are beginners and don’t have much knowledge about writing.

Google just want to make the web care of duplicate content. I am not sure their is any penalty to duplicate content.

Very interesting, something I have been starting to do from scratch with my newer sites before I start any regular linking processes, just to test the waters. I’m compiling my own massive list of “authority” domains that allow a free page.

What is your opinion, if you are going for a 2 word phrase? Lets take “Dog Training”. When signing up for accounts do you feel it is better to go for “dogtraining” or use the dash “dog-training”. I’m still in debate on how the engines read this, can they actually figure to separate the words/phrase I’m trying to rank for? I know the best answer would be to make pages with both options but just looking for any expert opinions.

Great blog, I like the outside the box thinking in your posts, keep it up!

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Good article,thanks for posting.

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Great post,

Obviously G penalizes dupe content, but I can’t believe that it’s as strictly as some would have you believe.

I see this post is a few years old, but the concept is intriguing.
Any feedback on whether this still works? I know backlinks are important, but you could waste a lot of time getting backlinks that never get indexed. If you could help get those sites/pages indexed, you will help yourself and the owner.

It is a clear post. Thanks

Given prolific idea, but instead of penalize write original and fresh content.

a very inspiring post as always. thanks again.

wonderful, this is quite an achievement.

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i feel so good

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Great article, as most of us have trouble with writing when we first start out.

There is so much of duplicated content as everyone repeats and re-writes the same stuff just in different words.

I have just started cracking duplicate posts for my website. The Reason behind this, is google some times penalized other sites, which have unique.

as always a very inspiring post. thank you eli.

really interesting about seo

This is a really stupid question but what language does the script need to be in?
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My own experience is that google is tightening up on everything and it’s simply not worth taking risks anymore. Each to their own but remember that google has some very powerful tools and algos. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

wNice one, there is actually some good points on this blog some of my readers may find this useful, I must send a link, many thanks.

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This was very informative. I have been reading your blog a lot over the past few days and it has earned a place in my bookmarks.

On the issue of duplicate content, do any readers use copyscape ? If so, do you fully trust it ?

seo work is long

I do agree with all of the ideas you have presented in your post. They’re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are too short for newbies. Could you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post.

Dupe content is the biggest issue out there now, copyscape picks up even a 10-15% similarity, so gotta figure google is even more strict.

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This fake commenting is very interesting!

I prefer PPC cause I know what I am getting for my money.

Good stuff thanx

Very interesting, something I have been starting to do from scratch with my newer sites before I start any regular linking processes, just to test the waters. I’m compiling my own massive list of “authority” domains that allow a free page.

better to write your own context and then spin it to make more content. start with a short tail artive and add longer tailes to it

1000’s of sites coming off the same block must figure negatively into the equation.

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An incredible post. Puts what I do into perspective. Good day to you, Eli!

Hello Eli, I have been reading your posts for some time and they are great man. Its a gold mine!

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Great Post! Would definitely try this out

Would agree with that.

Now that is out of the question

I’ll second that

Great Article… Keep it up man, help us more!

Gr8 post and congrats who got the solution for their job

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Thanks for this article, very interesting.

it is very hard to get away with duplicate content now. i think it has to be 100% unique.

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I don’t think this will work anymore

Thank you Eli for taking the time and answering all our questions

Of the negative factors one of the most well-known is duplicate content. … detecting duplicate content it would be harder for plagiarists to get away with what they .

I was just searching this type of post and I found it. I don’t know about guest posting but now it should be clear that read this post.

I do agree with all of the ideas you have presented in your post. They’re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are too short for newbies. Could you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post.

Thank you Eli for taking the time and answering all our questions

Would agree with that.

It is better not to copy texts and articles, but try to write original, google find you sooner or later.

It’s obvious to mostly everyone that nowadays it’s better to write unique content since copying articles just doesn’t cut it anymore. If you want long term business than you gotta focus on quality.

I’m not sure how I’ve avoided this site until now but I’m here now and subscribing immediately. I can’t stand people pissing and moaning about black hats beating them out of some ranking! Deal with it! Get better!

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