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Open Questions - Subdomains and Main Domains

Posted By Eli On June 4, 2009 @ 12:53 am In Random Thoughts | 690 Comments

I got a great question on my [1] NetSEO. I figured it was worth addressing in a post rather than leaving a really long comment.

Eli,
Can you be so kind and explain why this is:

“Primary domains can pass a penalty to subdomains. Subdomains can’t pass a penalty to a main domain unless the main domain holds a relation to the subdomain (ie. a link).”

Happy to answer Ryan :)

Anytime I make a statement like that I am usually making a reference to an exemption to the general This-Is-My-Site -> This-Is-Google -> This-Is-The-Value stream of things. Sometimes I’m a bit presumptuous in assuming readers caught the reference. In this instance I’m talking about the exception given to protect free hosts from penalties, particularly those who give their users subdomains such as Hypermart, Xoom, Wordpress.com, Blogger, Tripod etc. This exemption can’t only cover the popular free hosts otherwise no new freehosts would ever stand a chance. As soon as they got a single spammy user their whole site could get banned and poof goes their legit business. Likewise algorithmically it can’t cover all free hosts because then the biggens like Wordpress.com and Typepad would all be penalized. On a foresight this would also include profile based social sites such as Myspace and outbound linking social sites such as Delicious. Anyone remember when Geocities sites used to rank so well. :) Yet at the same time with a lot of splog platforms out there manual reviews would be a nightmare and unfeasible. So there is a line drawn. That line has to consist of some sort of relationship between the primary domain and the subdomain of a site that’ll evaluate if the “subsite” belongs to the main site or if it’s a separate entity. By way of algorithms that relationship is very tough to determine. In fact it’s damn near impossible to do with 100% accuracy. Unfortunately for them, they have the burden of relying on internal linking relationships between the two which would include the above statement as well as other protective factors that would encompass other exceptions such as nonstatic links (like Furl & Delicious would use).

This area of unsureness gives us SEO peeps room to do things such as create splogs and do subdomain spam. As long as we know what they’re looking for (the antispam teams) we know what not to provide. Most sites that contain ownership of their subdomains link from their mainpage down to the subpages to the subdomains and so on and so forth. So when in doubt do the opposite. It’ll provide less of a chance for a relationship between the maindomain and subdomain to be found and if you’re worried about linkjuice get it from other sources via deeplinks.


690 Comments To "Open Questions - Subdomains and Main Domains"

#1 Comment By Internet-markkinointi elämää On June 4, 2009 @ 1:39 am

Yeah, that’s a good way to explain it “shortly” ;)

#2 Comment By n0other On June 4, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Now the only question remaining is: what do they search for (the antispam teams) and what not to provide?

#3 Comment By Van leasing On June 4, 2009 @ 2:50 am

How does it work if you are using a no-follow link can a penalty still be passed along just like a standard link. Also can one site pass on a penalty to another site if the hosting is shared and the IP address’s are the same?

#4 Comment By conveyancing solicitors On June 4, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Really nice way you have explain it.

#5 Comment By Earn $100 Per Day with PPC On June 4, 2009 @ 6:05 am

THat is a great question… thanks for answering it.

#6 Comment By Benjamin Seibold On June 4, 2009 @ 6:46 am

Well basically all you have to do is create Greyhat sites that look 100% legit. That is, give them a template that matches your topic, fill them with relevant Content and not some Markovized Gibberish.

Eli described how to create unique Content by basically shuffling through and combining various databases. E.g. you have a Database of realtors in Canada and a database of Car Vendors in Canada etc. Then just create mashups of the data sources you have for each city. There you go with unique looking content thats easy to create in minutes. Fire up Xrumer and there you go =D

#7 Comment By Web Design Beach On June 4, 2009 @ 7:53 am

Yup, that would is surely the best explanation Eli just gave. And it also proves that Google’s algorithm is very complicated, so even when you think they can’t implement some rule, ask yourself twice before making a decision on that.

#8 Comment By Ryan On June 4, 2009 @ 9:43 am

Very kind of you to give the questions props. Thanks for the answer!

#9 Comment By Ryan On June 4, 2009 @ 10:31 am

Eli,
To clarify how one makes sure “they have the burden of relying on internal linking relationships between the two” is managed correctly you would never link from the root to the sub EVER!?

#10 Comment By festival On June 4, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

Wow. sounds complicated but again, fascinating stuff

#11 Comment By Bilder On June 4, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Good question and good answer. Thank you for this informative article.

#12 Comment By Jeff-DBA On June 4, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

Thanks for the article! Definitely gives me some more to think about.

#13 Comment By tobias On June 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Hey Eli!
Great post

What is your opinion if i would have a “network” of sites (different domains for different markets but all interlinked with like flags of whatever.

Doing hardcore unrelated linkbuilding to those. Do you think that could hurt my mainsite if i get penalized with one of the subdomains? Would it help to remove the geocountry immediatly?

BR
Tobias

#14 Comment By cars and bikes On June 4, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

i have did those thing but my traffic down highly for 1 yr old blog

#15 Comment By WebHostDesignPost On June 4, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Thanks for the interesting article. I’ve always have been consider about this, but never gave it much thought. Thanks for clearing it up.

#16 Comment By Best CSS Gallery On June 5, 2009 @ 2:49 am

Very informative article, thank you

#17 Comment By Eric On June 5, 2009 @ 7:48 am

Even Google recognizes that everything that happens on my site may not be my fault.

#18 Comment By Photo Art Album On June 6, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Eli,

What would you recommend for a site like mine containing Nude-photos section?

Some months ago I have been banned by the Google image bot although the section is disallowed in robots.txt. I really could not understand how I got out. I made some postings in the Google forum and a G.employee said that he will forward my question. Perhaps he had and that is the reason for the change. Still very few images from my site are indexed by the image bot, although I keep your recommendation about the perfectly optimized google image whenever I can.

#19 Comment By BajaCa Internet Marketing On June 8, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Lots of these websites that allow you to create your own page(s) on subdomains have quite a few users who only use it to link to themselves or to get that page to rank using link techniques they wouldn’t use on their own domain(s).

If those sites would be penalized for the users it would be a total mess.

Theoretically: if you want to get a site penalized using their subdomain(s), how would you go about making it look as legit as possible?

#20 Comment By Ryan On June 8, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

I have money to know your system to “create Greyhat sites that look 100% legit.” Understand completely the idea but to stay away from the footprint when doing it 100+ times still plays with my head.

#21 Comment By Bv Cures On June 9, 2009 @ 5:45 am

“This exemption can’t only cover the popular free hosts otherwise no new freehosts would ever stand a chance.”
This is infact a very good example. I was planning to start a free webhosting website and this exact thing was bugging me.Thanks for clearing this doubt.

#22 Comment By Tower On June 10, 2009 @ 4:46 am

Brilliant article I would never use a subdomain I normally go for the directory after instead like example.com/books/ and not books.example.com

#23 Comment By SEO Consultant On June 10, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Thanks for clearing this up Eli.

#24 Comment By scene girl pictures On June 10, 2009 @ 6:23 am

i was actually just thinking about the same thing. im glad i came back to your site

#25 Comment By Bv Cures On June 12, 2009 @ 10:52 am

“Also can one site pass on a penalty to another site if the hosting is shared and the IP address’s are the same? ”
I don’t think that penalty will be passed on to other sites hosted on the same ip. But yes, I guess penalty may be passed to sites which are owned by the same blackhat site owner(as per DNS records) and hosted on the same ip address.

#26 Comment By Bv Cures On June 12, 2009 @ 10:54 am

Do you mean internal linking within the same subdomain or different subdomains of the root domain?

#27 Comment By Sophia On June 17, 2009 @ 4:17 am

but i seen alot of spammer only use free hosts..
its a seriouse matter, thanks for letting me know by this informative article.

#28 Comment By Becky On June 17, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Hi! My name is Becky… I have been doing ppc marketing for a couple months now with fairly good success, then google slapped me. Anyways, one of my affiliate marketing AIM buddies recently turned me on the SEO and I have been working diligently at it. Looking forward to more posts and tips. My AIM is rebepa3 if any wants to network as well :)

Thanks for all the great advice, hopefully I have some success.

Becky

#29 Comment By Hebden Bridge On June 17, 2009 @ 8:34 am

SO well written again. This site never fails to amaze me. Thanks

#30 Comment By Payslips On June 17, 2009 @ 9:32 am

Sub-domains are a grey area for me, Im never sure if google like them

#31 Comment By Suzy On June 17, 2009 @ 11:05 am

That’s a good explanation. I always wondered why google differs a domain and subdomain as a separate site. This is why, due to penalties.

#32 Comment By Ryan On June 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

I meant different subdomains of the root domain. The sub domains can link to each other as much as you I assume but to have the root ever go to the subs is a no no. Please help if I am wrong, but that’s what I am thinking and asking.

#33 Comment By Ryan On June 17, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Ok but if you don’t know and havent tried how will you know? To sub or not sub is that the question, or are you assuming that bigG hates them so why try? I see sub’s indexed all over G but maybe they are bad. I think we should know!

#34 Comment By Door Handles On June 18, 2009 @ 7:53 am

The penalties are a real pain. Thanks for the explanation blue hat

#35 Comment By Lau On June 18, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Didn’t know it worked like that. Nice to know - and you’re a master to communicate the message, thank you.

#36 Comment By SomeFreedom On June 18, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

The article makes perfect sense - I mean I think they consider sub-domains, almost like a community. Sometimes (In most cases) the owner of the main domain can’t moderate what’s going on with his sub domains due to the sheer overwhelming numbers - thus it wouldn’t be fair to penalize them.

#37 Comment By Web design company On June 19, 2009 @ 7:32 am

This straight answer a question I had in mind a couple of days ago. Ty for this.

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#39 Comment By Malaysia Used Car On June 20, 2009 @ 1:15 am

Can i ask ?
If i create something bad in myname.wordpress.com will wordpress.com have to responsible for what i did ? i think everyone is somehow have a link in wordpress main site …

#40 Comment By Umbrella Companies On June 20, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Thanks again for answering another question which I would have had no idea about before coming on to your site.

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#42 Comment By Tvents On June 22, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

I keep this information in case I need it. There are many steps to do in SEO. We have to analyze regularly every step in doing SEO. We always have to find any new information about SEO too.

#43 Comment By Mike - Musical Instruments On June 24, 2009 @ 11:42 am

So if the main site links to the subdomain, and the subdomain gets penalized, then the top level domain may also gets penalized?

#44 Comment By work at home On June 24, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

The Google algorithm has to be updated enough to catch this. This is an unusual task for it to find. It makes you wonder!

#45 Comment By maddy On June 26, 2009 @ 7:55 am

I planned to make site by using subdomain before i read this but now after reading your article i never use subdomain for my web. thanks for your informative article. keep writing.

#46 Comment By Hotel Consultants On June 28, 2009 @ 1:24 am

I don’t really believe in using a sub-domain strategy. Apparently it’s a little bit like cheating and sites like about.com has been into it for a long time.

#47 Comment By SEO Services Company On June 28, 2009 @ 11:13 am

Strictly from an SEO perspective [2] www.yoursite.com/subject tends to rank better than subject.yoursite.com in search engines like Google so before you put a lot of effort into using a subdomain make sure that your project wouldn’t just simply be better put onto its URL where you can grow it without worrying about having to protect your parent domain from spammy activity.

If you place your project on a separate domain you can always link to it from your primary domain without repercussions as you can’t get in trouble for linking to a website as long as the bad website doesn’t have links pointing back to your good domain.

#48 Comment By quick weight loss diet On June 28, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

what is domain and sub domain? How to configure domain like dabur.com is domain and sub domain is like sales.dabur.com under the IIS. Pls help me

#49 Comment By Seo digger On June 30, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Eli isnt known for his brevity.

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#51 Comment By .docx On July 2, 2009 @ 7:01 am

I dont think google likes subdomains, but thats just my veiw.

#52 Comment By Joseph Ponnou On July 2, 2009 @ 7:27 am

Thank you for explaining the matter of domain and sub domain in such detail.

Joseph
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#53 Comment By Filipina Heart Blog On July 2, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

I don’t really dabble in domains, what is the really benefit of them?

#54 Comment By MoneyBins On July 2, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

I don’t think that Google has a problem with sub domains. Some of the paid review sites seem to not allow them though.

#55 Comment By joseph On July 3, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

i have a domain. and then a make 1 subdomain with the same nice. the subdomain rank better than the main domain,

#56 Comment By Ubieranki On July 5, 2009 @ 7:11 am

Joseph it seems that you have better links to your subdomain

#57 Comment By James - SEO Outsource On July 8, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Many blog platforms often have a ‘blog of the day’ type section that links back to the subdomains, so even the odd link back to your subdomains shouldn’t do you any harm. It depends how you are using your subdomains really.

Eli, would you say that Google treats Squidoo in the same way? Only instead of subdomains, Squidoo uses the format squidoo.com/pagename.

I remember squidoo pages used to rank well for a lot of keywords, but don’t to the same extent now. Of course the guys at Squidoo are trying to clamp down on spam a lot more now…

#58 Comment By website and hosting On July 9, 2009 @ 9:10 am

Very good post, this answer many subdomain questions that I had, thanks for this.

#59 Comment By seo87 On July 9, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

Domains will cost you money as it has to be hosted in a webserver. It cannot come free. Subdomains sit on domains and hence it is free.

#60 Comment By seo87 On July 9, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

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#61 Comment By flagstaff az wedding videographer On July 10, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

It never ceases to amaze me how much more I have to learn about all this stuff. I’m thankful for guys like you that have done the dirty work already, and all I have to do is pay attention. Then again, I’m just a [4] wedding videographer, what do I know about subdomains?

#62 Comment By seo87 On July 13, 2009 @ 1:24 am

Domains cost money. You cannot get them for free.

#63 Comment By sam On July 13, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Excellent article and site. Fantastic information and insight. Keep up the great articles.

#64 Comment By Sandra On July 14, 2009 @ 1:58 am

Hi Eli!

Thanks for this great article. Now - I have a Question:

Does the Sandbox(Effect) affect “new Subdomains”, too?

Greetings from Poland,
Sandra

#65 Comment By SEO Nottingham On July 16, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Hi Eli,

Anothor fab post.

I agree, by knowing what they are lookng for we know what to provide. The hardest point is working out what they are looking for.

#66 Comment By Term Paper Help On July 16, 2009 @ 3:56 am

This is such a good article and such a simple idea that just seems obvious yet I hadn’t heard of it until now. Why can’t I think of things like these!!!!

#67 Comment By Wicker On July 16, 2009 @ 4:39 am

It’s really nice post of your explaination. It brief the different subdomain and main domain.

#68 Comment By emo On July 19, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Hello Eli! Thanks for this great article.

#69 Comment By David On July 19, 2009 @ 7:03 am

Very useful information here, thanks!

#70 Comment By alfon On July 19, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

nice info bro i like it very much

#71 Comment By La Digue On July 20, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Great way to answer this question. It would have been a really long reply. Thanks to people like you I have learnt one more new thing and my knowledge has further increased….

#72 Comment By Eee PC Drivers On July 21, 2009 @ 2:11 am

How about giving free sublinks? Will this increase the original rating?

#73 Comment By Joshua Claybourn On July 22, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

Wow, awesome insight. I’ve had similar issues with my subdomain.

#74 Comment By Henrik Bondtofte On July 23, 2009 @ 9:53 am

Excelent round up on subdomains, I was looking for some clarification on this subject and found it.

#75 Comment By Marketing de Recherche On July 28, 2009 @ 6:05 am

Is it possible to penalize a trusted site by pointing mucho spammy links to it ? thanks

#76 Comment By Medical Assistant Jobs On August 1, 2009 @ 12:38 am

Good questions regarding sub-domains and main domain..
I had been looking forward for this kind of information for a long time!

#77 Comment By Motorcycles for Sale On August 1, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

I have a number of subdomains and though some of them have an ‘alright’ rating, it’s nothing to write home about. But they’re doing good business, so I’m not going to get them their own domain. With that said, I do much better on stand alone domains.
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#78 Comment By Alex On August 2, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

THat is a great question… thanks for answering it.

#79 Comment By tower 2 tower On August 6, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Hey you really post here very informative & useful article overhere.. I would to say you thanks for this article who gives me the good information for the Subdomains and Main Domains..

#80 Comment By Little Dot On August 11, 2009 @ 8:16 am

It is a great question an answer, I was confused for this purpose, thank you.

#81 Comment By SEO Perth On August 12, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

I’ve seen this used successfully quite a few times. While I wouldn’t employ this kind of technique my self, I’ll be the first to say that it does work.

#82 Comment By Discount theatre tickets On August 13, 2009 @ 9:50 am

Really your question is great. Actually you describe the difference in both main and sub domains very clearly. Thanks for it..

#83 Comment By joseph On August 13, 2009 @ 1:24 pm

changing my perception about folder and subdomain, thank’s eli

#84 Comment By Mike On August 16, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Thanks for the article! Definitely gives me some more to think about.

#85 Comment By alex On August 18, 2009 @ 12:27 am

The penalties are a real pain. Thanks for the explanation blue hat

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#86 Comment By Loop On August 18, 2009 @ 12:31 am

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#87 Comment By Steve On August 22, 2009 @ 11:12 am

Sounds logical! Muchos gracias!

#88 Comment By Lasse On August 22, 2009 @ 11:27 am

Dude, know a spam comment, when you see one… He might aswell have written “Yeah, the moon is blue.. I completely agree.”

#89 Comment By TipS On August 23, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

This a very interesting topic going on here…Really learning alot from your blog…Hope some more good content like this will come online so we can all grab the most of it…

Thanks for this great job…

#90 Comment By seo solutions On August 23, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Thanks for writing this blog post, it was very helpful, and most importantly - informative!

now its clear to me whats the difference between those 2, (domain and sub-domain)

#91 Comment By packing supplies & packaging supplier On August 25, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Very helpful information and evocative. Thanks for sharing.

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#92 Comment By Nick On August 31, 2009 @ 7:57 am

These kind of things give us space to try and test different strategies all with one single domain.

#93 Comment By joseph On September 1, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

so..you prefer folder than subdomain eli?

#94 Comment By Andreas Bambang On September 10, 2009 @ 11:11 am

Are there any different whether your keyword in subdomain vs keyword in top-level domain? I mean how google consider that and how it’s affect the SEO? thanks

#95 Comment By SEO Indianapolis On September 14, 2009 @ 9:30 am

Great article - I now have a second location to send clients when they ask the question and don’t like my answer. Keep up your thoughts and don’t hold back!

#96 Comment By Animal trainer On September 18, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Hi, i need to buy a domain from yahoo, for example freetalk.com, then to create a subdomain like portal.freetalk.com and redirect the main domain freetalk.com to the subdomain?don’t ask me why i need this.

#97 Comment By Sydney SEO On September 23, 2009 @ 3:34 am

I know a lot of other folks have said this already, but great post man.

Nice work

#98 Comment By Something Sacred On September 29, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

Awesome. Thanks for the info!

#99 Comment By website design tampa On September 30, 2009 @ 9:23 am

Links between a subdomain and a main domain may be treated with slightly more weight than an internal link, but if the subdomain and main domain are hosted in the same place links between the two will be given the same weight as internal links.

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#104 Comment By Computer Tech Tips On October 24, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

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#105 Comment By vol pas cher On October 25, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Thanks for this great info, now there’s one more question. Subdomains can’t pass penality but can domains pass trust to subdomains ? What is your point of view?

#106 Comment By Matt: St Leonards SEO Kings On October 26, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Hey cool post.

What i don’t link is that the free hosting companies such as wordpress and alike, gain the Page rank from all the sub domains, attributed from all the fine content people submit.

Not enough Bloggers know the value of hosting their content under their own domain!

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#107 Comment By neil On October 29, 2009 @ 3:19 am

Very well written article. My only doubt now is, what is the reason for them not to support link juice?

#108 Comment By Alergia On November 8, 2009 @ 12:01 pm

Are you sure about that? i´ll experiment it in one of my webs.

#109 Comment By Kid Digital On November 12, 2009 @ 3:40 am

Not sure I get what you mean by “what is the reason for them not to support link juice?”. Can you elaborate?

#110 Comment By Blackberry Bold 2 On November 14, 2009 @ 10:42 am

I appreciate the thorough explanation. What are your thoughts on using the free hosting sites for linkwheels and such as well? Do you think those are safer options than using main domains?

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Great article, thanks for the tips Eli!

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#132 Comment By Presidente Prudente On January 21, 2010 @ 5:57 am

I think that google will change this

#133 Comment By Pacxon On January 22, 2010 @ 9:35 pm

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#134 Comment By Tagesgeldkonto On January 23, 2010 @ 4:11 pm

Subdomains are cool :-)

#135 Comment By Geldanlagen On January 23, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

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#136 Comment By Mid Mo Mortgage On February 1, 2010 @ 8:10 am

Wonderful, Eli!

I had no idea we could use subdomains in spam such as this. I’ll definitely have to start using subdomains as my guinea pig when trying out new techniques.

#137 Comment By snake t shirt On February 12, 2010 @ 7:11 am

To add a subdomain, you’ll need to do that through your control panel on your hosting account if that feature is available by your hosting provider.

#138 Comment By Andrew On February 12, 2010 @ 7:30 am

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#139 Comment By NiyazK On February 12, 2010 @ 7:32 am

Yeah i can see that

#140 Comment By Creative Zen On February 13, 2010 @ 8:09 am

i use subdomains but have to do separate link building for them :(

#141 Comment By Cable News Networks On February 21, 2010 @ 11:36 pm

I think subdomain is only necessary when creating new folders will make the file system too crowded.

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#145 Comment By Susan Kennedy On March 12, 2010 @ 7:24 am

You certainly settled my has on this issue. Woo.

#146 Comment By Pogoed On March 14, 2010 @ 1:19 pm

I have a site that’s about 3 years old that i have 6 or 7 sub-domains attached to it. Great article BTW!

#147 Comment By Computer Tips and Tech Talk On March 15, 2010 @ 2:52 am

Subdomains are good if your main is popular. Great tips up there.

#148 Comment By Tuxedos On March 19, 2010 @ 4:48 am

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