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You forgot the part where the Blue hat comes out of no where and knocks the white and black hats to the 2nd and 3rd positions!

Eli,

You tell a kick ass story!

Keep up this stuff…this is what keeps me checking your blog almost daily!

Hehe, great little story.. My old agency posted a link of SEO blogs yesterday and had bluehat was under “grey/black hat blogs”, but they redeemed themselves by writing:
“(Because it’s important to keep up to date with what shady tactics are being used, and sometimes these guys share extremely valuable white-hat tricks and tips)”

I sometimes get people bitch at my that I shouldn’t be preaching grey/black hat stuff, perhaps I should keep a copy of that story on my clipboard.. Nice one, Eli. I enjoyed reading that.

excellent story, not very Biblical but quite dramatic. Mind if i write a movie script on this?

I’ll sign over the rights just as long as you replace webmasters with Spartans and search engines with Persians. I think it’ll sell better that way

Dru, what did I tell you about giving away the last chapter of stories?
*stern look*

That was quite a tale. I love how you added in some solid tips. Like re-tagging an rss feed to get scooped up by mr “blackhats” and gain some free linkage.

By the way, I don’t know how I am going to continue reading this blog. So far, after just reading for a few weeks, I have to make 100 niche sites for 5 networks, some “link laundering” sites, feeder blogspot blogs, and make other social real estate grabs.

I tend to believe that most activities can be done “blackhat” or “whitehat” depending on the situation. For instance, I can legitimately gain a link from a comment on a blog that does not have nofollow (rant) and be within bounds of being “whitehat.” However, I could have written a program that generates at random some sort of message promoting my site. Possibly getting cleaver with it, potentially pulling some information about keywords found within the post and potentially trick you into thinking its a legit comment (albeit a little oddly worded).

That being said. How did you like my script?

I suspect your parable is more realistic than many realize, Eli. For instance, I read recently about one BH who was buying expensive, expiring domains, then filling them with computer-generated content. He was complaining that the sites weren’t lasting long enough in the SERPS to see a decent ROI. I think he was so ingrained with BH, he failed to realize he could fill the sites with genuine content from inexpensive Asian writers, so they would last longer and generate a significant ROI over the long-haul.

Conversely, I wonder how many WHs realize how easy it is to rank for low-competition keywords with some simple link-spamming techniques and tactics?

So, here’s an effective strategy for combining WH and BH:

1. Buy a cheap, expiring domain;
2. Create some genuine and key-word targeted content (go for a mid/low niche and target only money keywords that you’ll think will convert);
3. Get some genuine links & do some lite (but consistent) link spamming;
4. Test and refine;
5. Voila – success!

Another entertaining post, Eli!

I have seen the light!

Excellent point.
There are actually quite a few very solid tips for both black hatters and white hatters in the story. Here’s a few you may not have picked up on in your first read.

1) Use auto generated sites to find and test new niches. You may be the highest foremost keyword research expert in the world, but nothing will help you find more golden niches than throwing up a few hundred MFA sites.

2) Use blackhat sites to boost your site’s rankings while keeping your site clean. No offsite factor can ever get your domain banned or devalued. So if your site is physically 100% whitehat there is nothing your competition can do about you going apeshit nuts on blackhat to help boost it. They can’t hurt you, they can only help. So use blackhat networks to boost your white hat networks.

3. The narks never win. Their roll and behavior in the story is so commonly true in this business. and with that blackhats and white hats use their own motivation and knightly drive against them every day. The two sites in the story will firmly stick in the first two positions because the rest of the sites are keeping themselves down and focusing on combating spam. Focusing on maintaining your earnings is a luxury for the number one company in an industry. Everyone else needs to be focused on going upwards.

4. Also, I introduced the concept of “Black Hole SEO” It’s the affectionately darker version of black hat seo. It’s where you steal traffic and links from black hat sites in mass. Sounds like a fucked up ass backwards concept right? I can assure you, it is very real & people already do it. So black hats beware you’re the next victims

Hi Eli,

great posting, i became a daily reader of your blog

I don’t know if you remember but you said me I can send you an email with a small concept for a website-network.

Have you received it and had time to read?
Perhaps if you answer me you can give me a little tip how to find bh spam sites and their sources to use them for linking me

greetings from austria

Thanks,
I responded to both your emails awhile ago actually. Check your junk mail. In fact the Checkmate:Google Images post was made to help you out with your first question email.

Greetings from USA

its incredible… i received really no email. And at both email-adresses i have not activated an junk-filter…

perhaps you have a copy of your replies and can send them to [1] [email protected]

would be kind of you. Thanks Charly

I forwarded the one i could find, but i think it was actually a third question. The other two are probably answered from my office. So I’ll see about retrieving and forwarding them on monday.

great, thank you, I received that email now.

Just a detail question about google. Do you use Analytics and webmastertools from google for your network sites and if yes, from one account or everyon with a different google account

thanks
Charly

Haha. Stupid whitehat.

Great post.

You are a fantastic educator, Eli! Thanks very much!!

One question:

When the White Hatter concocted a script to ping Google Blog search with all the same post titles as was in the list and injected links to his site within the article content as well as put himself as the source, was he:

1. Creating a feed of those posts (that he injected links into) without there being an actual post?

2. Posting the titles that he injected links into to a site, then pinging Google Blog Search to let them know of the new posts?

3. Other?

answers yes to both 1 and 2. You create a standard rss feed. You put your url as the guid or source and permalink on all the posts. but each post title is actually one of the scraped titles. You can put whatever you want for the actual rss content. You can also put html into the post content but often black hatters will remove all the html out of it.

Then you ping or submit the feed to googleblog search. Googleblog search indexes all the feeds and fake posts. Then when the black hatters grab more rss feeds searching for their terms it grabs all your posts. So every post they use for their content has a link to your website. A smart black hatter always gives proper credit to the source to avoid trouble.

By all theory of Black Hole SEO you can get several millions of links to a website within a few days by feeding rss scrapers content through popular rss aggregators(google blog search, yahoo blogsearch. etc.).

Black Hole SEO is also a very powerful affiliate marketing tool, but ya know how I do business. I introduce the concept first, get you comfortable with the applications of it then explain it in detail. So I can assure you there will be a post that clears all this up. Until then just let it roll around the brain so you can at least have some ideas of what it can be used for, for when i explain how to do it.

Very nice! Since having the same headline with different content would not be very offensive to most white hat bloggers, it’s “barely scraped” at all.

that was a nice little story. I hink i got the moral and some good tips im gonna be trying out.

did you wrote this story because of my [2] www.google.com/search?q=whitehats+suck

lol @tobsn

a nice guerilla marketing action

Great article eli. I have never really been sure on white and black hat techniques since i am fairly new to this but this explained alot to me

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Great story, Eli. It was right before bed and all! Keep up the good posts!

Zebra hats rule!

Hey Eli,

Excellent post as usual. The nice thing about your method is that you kindly share & force us to think. I have some questions on this post:

Let´s assume for this question that the WH owner is not aware of these practices and he can´t initiate the process you explained to fight back the BH website (I am asumming this because it will happen on many cases and also because probably if the white hat guy would do what you suggest on your post the questions I am about to ask would not have much sense…correct me please if I am wrong)

1 - If I am not getting the idea wrong, the BH website achieves #1 position based on link velocity. I mean, you are getting a huge boost on your SERPS based on your link acquisition rate, right? Probably competition has tons of quality incoming links that had been there for a long while so this is the only approach we have to fight against that. So…

a) How long does it take to see the effects of link velocity collapse? I am not 100% sure about this but it would seem logic that although you may give credit to scraped content authors and avoid aff+adsense schemes on your blogs (to avoid splogs and get some time value for those links) once the link building rate starts to decrease, the superior value of incoming links on the WH Website would take the lead again.

b) If point “a” is correct, would you just keep on building those blogs for incoming links(blogspot,squidoo,wp blogs, etc also) with long tail kwds? If yes, wouldn´t we have a limit? (We have a finite number of variations I guess to work on regarding keywords). What would you do then in that case? Just do the same on different authority platforms such as Squidoo, etc?

If you do this, would you be already thinking about the fact that in the meanwhile you are expanding your blogspot domains age and getting more authority & value from those links? Would that just be enough or would you still add value from high PR and more authoritative websites (probably from your own networks)?

I am not sure if my reasonings may sound 100% logical to all here, but it seems to me that the key issue is to define not only your expected link building velocity rate (BTW would be great if you could share how we are supposed to estimate this rate in a way that may not get us flagged…what do you compare and how you define your metrics) but also how do we have to mix in the recipe low value links from these blogs we´re building with more authoritative links.

Also, for how long are we supposed to keep on repeating the process to keep ranking within SERPS?

To end this question, since it seems we gonna have on time natural constraints based only on this method for our BH (unless you have tons of quality incoming links) I guess like Dru mentioned that sthing else is coming along (Blue Hat) to back-up your BH website. And I say “back-up” cus I am following the logic line…but who knows…maybe this BH website was a diversion and the Blue Hat stuff will take the lead later. I am sure you will tell us in the future how this goes on

2 - If, when analyzing the BH linking structure, the WH webmaster notices tons of incoming links from other platforms besides blogspot, would you extent the process to all the cases where you can add your rss feed? Would it always be so obvious where the BH links are coming from?

3 - It seems that the method you explain here would also be useful for getting more incoming links on your black hat affiliate projects. Usually we would find much more splogs but since on these short-term affiliate schemes we are talking about third party domains and javascript redirects (combined with other forum posters, guestbook posters, image galleries posters, etc)feasible of getting banned soon …there would be no problem…what do you think?

Thanks again for your shares and time. Keep it up!

Cheers,

Nick

I’m not sure how I’ve avoided this site until now but I’m here now and subscribing immediately. I can’t stand people pissing and moaning about black hats beating them out of some ranking! Deal with it! Get better!

Impressive insight. I can tell you really read deep into that post and understood it.

Often times you are right, very rarely can the average white hatter combat a blackhatter with a white hat site. In the story I did not specify a time frame between events. So this could of happened over a year or over a month. So link velocity is not really in question in this particular example although it is a factor just due to the fact that he “rose quickly.”

So if we’re talking strictly theory here. Lets assume he had high link velocity because he was gaining quickly. Perhaps a real life physics example would explain it best. You have two lugers on the same sled going down two different hills. One is going down a straight 45degree angle hill and the other is going down a steady bell curve(where the decline drops quickly but then levels out). Given a long enough plane each sledder will at one point reach their terminal velocity. So which sledder will make it to the finish line first? It depends on the length of the track. The same principle could be applied to SEO world and reaching the top of the SERPS. You have two sites that are both going to gain X amount of links with the exact same sites that are all ranked within slots 1-N. The sites at the top will give you more authority quicker, but will eventually plateu and the link velocity will start to level off and eventually almost plateu. Where as starting from the bottom and gaining links going up the totem pole will start off slowly but the velocity will raise with each new link. So the same physics example above would naturally apply. Which method of link velocity will get you to the top of the SERPS the first? It depends on how many sites you are talking about (the length of the track)and how high up it goes(the amount of authority given by the top sites).

From the story’s point of view its impossible to tell which link order he went in to achieve his remarkable results. It can be assumed that he went with the 45degree approach because he did not initialy approach the white hat for a link. Also, it was said that the other white hat sites below him fought amongst themselves and couldn’t compete with the top site. So my guess is that he started from the bottom and worked his way up, with each link his velocity grew and grew which is why the white hatter didn’t notice him until it was nearly too late. Because by that time his velocity was so high and gaining even faster than the white hatter could maintain himself. There was no sign of him slowing down. Which would of been implied if he started at the top and worked his way down. So yes, if you’re with me so far the BH got to #1 using his link velocity.

On to your next point. “How long does it take to see the effects of link velocity collapse?” The effect of course is only perceptive to a third party. Each site within the serps naturally has upward moment. Once they cross the finish line they will continue to coast due to the momentum sustained. So your site are only going to raise according to your own velocity vs their current momentum. This is why new sites tend to show up so quickly in the top 100. The rest of the sites below the top 100 have very low momentum and your site has such high velocity you pass them very quickly. However you can be gaining 10 positions/day at one point but once you reach the breaking point(top 25) it starts slowing down dramatically. This is due to the “relevant link brick wall” as mentioned in another post as well as your link velocity is coming close to matching their current momentum. No matter how fast your momentum is, sometimes you will encounter sites at the top whos current momentum is still higher than your velocity. Which is why the black hatter had to resort to drastic link boosts(using his blogspot accounts). Obviously the time it takes for the actual links to count is equal to the time it takes for them to get recognized by the engines, for their results to appear is only when they become live in the datacenters(impossible for us commoners to know). It all will eventually happen so its not so much when as how rapidly. People often make the mistake of only looking for links that already exist in the engines, or will exist. Why? You have just as much power as getting a document into the index as any other webmaster, whats wrong with getting a link placed and then forcing it into the index yourself through third party inbound links. This concept is perfectly described in my “Document Links” post as well as “link laundering sites.”

To get to the “would you just keep on building those blogs for incoming links?” point. The answer is apparent in my SERP Domination post as well as outlined in this post. Building up a secondary network is a primary key in gaining an authoritive boost(*see ref. keyword real estate post). However there is a cap to it if using it for link building. Lets say you create 10 spammy blogger accounts. This is dealable with blogger.com. You are well below their radar and chances are the blogs will stick given no outside influences. The same principle could be duplicated so you have 10,000 blogger accounts. The actual number doesn’t matter, its blogger’s threshhold that matters. Eventually they will start systematically deleting your blogs. The more you create the more footprints you leave. The more footprints you leave the faster they can be automatically deleted. Eventually you reach your terminal velocity and you are creating accounts just as fast as they are deleting them(talk to any power myspace spammer about that one). The blackhatter knew this. There was an obvious trade off between the velocity and link age. He knew he would soon need the “aged links” to maintain his rankings so he only made enough blogspot accounts to keep himself under the radar and he probably made them slowly and carefully with little or no footprints. He probably lost quite a few but once he reached 10k that was sticking he was smart and left them and didn’t build any more. This gave him just enough links to boost his link velocity upward without compromising his link age, which would help in keeping the momentum he would need later to maintain the rank consistantly.

I think that covered all except your last point, which could simply be answered by “it depends.” Go as high as you have to never as high as you can. As mentioned in the SERP domination post, you don’t have to be big you just have to be larger than everyone else.

Boy those were two long ass comments

This is a great story. I would have had to just throw in the towel on this and settled for second or worse.

Eli,

Thanks again for your 100% generous consideration of all of us willing to learn.

After reading your comments now, the whole thing is starting to make much more sense to me. Actually, I read your SERP Domination post after reading this one (my mistake sorry). Now it seems more clear how we are supposed to combine your different methods in the altogether plan.

Just one thing, would be great to understand precisely what you are refering to when talking about a “website´s momentum”.

Keep it up! =)

One thing Eli, I was at a musuem recently and saw a test where two balls went down two tracks, one was a bell curve and one was a straight line. They started and eneded at the same level (so the bell curve ball had to travel farther because it wasn’t a straight line) the bell curve ball finishes WAY ahead of the straight line because of velocity, inspite of the distance.

I found this interesting in light of the “One is going down a straight 45degree angle hill and the other is going down a steady bell curve” example above.

You’re absolutely right.

“Given a long enough plane each sledder will at one point reach their terminal velocity.”

I got a competitor who is buying good expired domains and catching up on my site which has ruled our niche for years.

I’m pretty white, out of ignorance and fear of upsetting google mostly, but I’ld be happy to be blue.

Should I just start buying too (but where does he find these great pr4 domains with yahoo and loads of other respectable links?) Or what other blue hat techique would you recommend to stop him taking over from me in the serps.

Wow Eli, your a busy man!

That was the best summer blockbuster, i have read in some time.

Good shit, good shit man.

Aye. BH/WH is

1) A valuable marketing/PR concept

2) Two very different ways of working. Those passionate and serious about their craft study both, and in detail.

Working ain’t whining. It’s paying the bills and hopefully having some fun along the way, one way or another paying the bills and sleeping easy at night.

Myself, sure I keep the “report abuse” addys among my many bookmarked tools. They go under a folder titled “ratting / being a lil’ bitch” that I keep for political protocol coverage. Like if/as situations ever arise that I’ll need to tell someone “OK, we’ve called to the mountain now. This isn’t an avelanche, so let’s nobody go batshit. Stop calling Sherpa and let him think and get to work.” Assuming that service commitment is something that’s been sold in, that is.

WHWs should read the bit about “framing” (no, not HTML frames) in Aaron Wall’s book, and also Rand’s concession about “keep my house” in his WH/BH debate with EarlGray of Syndk8.

I noticed that in the story, bot the white hatter and the black hatter had about 45K links most of which were relevant. How on earth can a black hatter get relevant links in such a mass scale so quickly?

Also, I don’t suppose anyone’s heard of a blogspot account creating software?

Thx,

Alex

Not to divulge but the black hatter got his links the same way the white hatter did starting out. If you know what to look for gaining large amounts of relevant links is easy. I got a post coming up on that soon.
As far as the blogspot account generation
there used to be a commercial one called voodoo blogger but it got shut down and the owner of it was caught stealing peoples accounts and recording all their stuff. Now its all done with custom scripts.

There is always BloggerGenerator–it’s at least updated regularly. It ain’t pretty, but it gets the job done.

Thanks Eli and kansieo for your replies!

You don’t know how bad I need links right now

I’m currently writting a script for the 100 links / hour technique and I’ll definitely try BloggerGenerator (or write something myself).

I’m still intrigued by the possibility of mass numbers of relevant links (I assume one-way). I’ve been researching this for a few months now and the only things I can think of that are white-hat enough is either linkbaiting through social sites or some sort of RSS feeds (but not like the ones in the 100links/h post). I don’t suppose doing a backlink analysis of the #1 site and e-mailing every site owner in the list still works….

I’m not too sure though because the black hat vs white hat scenario mentions how the site lost it’s momentum which I don’t think is very applicable to these two methods.

Anyway, I guess I’ll just have to wait for Eli’s post.

Thanks again Eli & kansieo, I appreciate it!

Great tale - I think the pull of the dark side is strong for most SEOers.
It’s easy to be pure white if you’re one of the gurus but for the rest of us the odd touch of grey to win can be appealing…

I have a white hat site that has 50 backlinks so far. All legit one ways.

How many blogspot backlinks would be to much at first? Or in the wrong ratio?

10k is a lot but not compared to the 40-50k overall in the example.

I read you said that nothing external would hurt my site but others have said that if you have to many “spammy” backlinks it would affect the white hat site. True?

Thanks!

could not agree more.
best find of the week.

Poetic, and compelling with a ton of smooth strategy thrown in for good measure. Awesome post!

Entertaining AND informative… good job!

It’s an interesting input into the black hat / white hat debate. I like how it seems to just come down to being smart and doing what you have to do to get ahead.

white, grey, black..whatever. we’re all internet marketers and we’re all shady in some way or another.

The more google changes and gets smarter the more we will have to resort to more shady techniques. Just my 2 cents

I truly enjoyed this parody. Thank you for defining the truth behind the terms.

The White Hat: “He didn’t just roll over or waste his time throwing a fit trying to get the inevitably endless supply of black hat sites banned or deleted. He knew his opponents tricks and thus was well equipped to combat them.”
SUPERB, I guess all white hat SEO’s, to be the best, have to learn and understand the opponents darstidly tricks!

nice post

Very nice read. Is this a true story? Either way you do bring up a very good point. Advanced SEO marketers are able to secure the top positions, period! I think the term “content is king” is over emphasized in the Internet world, especially from the SERPs’ perspective.

Of course its a true story, its happenning all over the web. Whats also happenning is thats the white hat guy is too stupid and holds onto the belief that google will punish the blackhatter, until he looses his business.

I think if you know Black Hat…you’re God.

I too think if you know Black Hat…you’re God. Loll!

Amazing parabole.

Great resource.

Awesome post. Thanks.

Interesting article, always worth remembering that you gota believe in your own techniques bit if they aint working you gota adapt!

One of the great and also not so great things about having an e commerce website on the internet is having to know white hat, black hat and grey hat tactics and methods of gaining traffic, higher pr, serps…………………
If I only knew then- 1999, what I know now I would have truly been ahead of my time.

This is really true. You have to learn things to stay strong in this industry. Regardless if they are blackhat. It’s still good to know waht’s going on out there.

I think you summed it up excellently at the end. I really do cringe sometimes when I see some black hat techniques used by companies. As you can tell I am a believer in eithical white hat seo methods.

Amazing, i think you have written some good points here, I am impressed very much so keep writing constantly and keep posting great ideas……

Excellent posting and good idea, I thing you have written some good points here…….keep writing constantly and posting best idea……thanks a lot…….

In point of fact you are mind-blowing blog writer. Thanks

In point of fact it is genuine. We have to learn things to stay strong in this industry. Regardless even supposing they are blackhat, still It is too good to know waht’s going on out there.

You forgot the part where the Blue hat comes out of no where and knocks the white and black hats to the 2nd and 3rd positions! nice

By the way, I don’t know how I am going to continue reading this blog. So far, after just reading for a few weeks, I have to make 100 niche sites for 5 networks, some “link laundering” sites, feeder blogspot blogs, and make other social real estate grabs.

I sometimes get people bitch at my that I shouldn’t be preaching grey/black hat stuff, perhaps I should keep a copy of that story on my clipboard.. Nice one, Eli. I enjoyed reading that.

Creating a feed of those posts (that he injected links into) without there being an actual post?

Also, I introduced the concept of “Black Hole SEO” It’s the affectionately darker version of black hat seo. It’s where you steal traffic and links from black hat sites in mass. Sounds like a fucked up ass backwards concept right? I can assure you, it is very real & people already do it. So black hats beware you’re the next victims

Just one thing, would be great to understand precisely what you are refering to when talking about a “website´s momentum”.

I’m pretty white, out of ignorance and fear of upsetting google mostly, but I’ld be happy to be blue.

Interesting, I’ll try those tips…

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good argument there, i agree with you

Great points of argument. Agree most of them.

I forwarded the one i could find, but i think it was actually a third question. The other two are probably answered from my office. So I’ll see about retrieving and forwarding them on monday.

Useful Information there …. Just a quick note to say thanks.

that was a nice little story. I hink i got the moral and some good tips im gonna be trying out.

excellent story, not very Biblical but quite dramatic. Mind if i write a movie script on this?

Brilliant post, nothin like putting everything you can on autopilot, I will be implementing this ASAP! BTW I wanted to say thanks to you Eli, I’ve implemented your tech on some sites with amazing results. For those with some creativity and programming skill you can find ways to make Eli’s techniques go ape shit and dominate. These are such foundation ideas that there’s so many ways you can go with them. Recently I got a site to rank #1 with a domain

Excellent story!! I don’t know if the end could happend, but I really like it!
Good blog!

This is a very nicely written piece that I believe should open up the eyes of some of the devout people who call themselves whitehats. I think you make an excellent case for them to read and at least be aware of some of the things their blackhat counterparts are up too, so they can at least defend themselves.

Well done.

The information you provided was very useful. Because of your help, thank you.
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Thanks for sharing your story it was very interesting and useful to know.

Succinctly put Eli. One shouldn’t get rewarded by passing judgment or opinions on things they don’t fully understand or have a natural bias against. The two tend to go hand in hand.

Expert parable lol. It made me laugh, but I found it informative as well. There were a few technical terms that are beyond my ken, and so it seemed like the white hatter and the black hatter were performing magic for all intents and purposes, but I got the lesson anyway.

I light a candle in the altar of the blue hat. I fully recommend this to new readers lol.

this is a great parable . thank you for sharing

Entertaining AND informative… good job!

It’s an interesting input into the black hat / white hat debate. I like how it seems to just come down to being smart and doing what you have to do to get ahead.

How to overcome the spam attack on our blogs and identify the spam comments. I used pdf’s too but the spammy commenter’s are so choosy to comment on all the open links in my blog.

It is a bit tough to view full content due ti its length. I don’t like this type of content.

This is a great story.

Great tale - I think the pull of the dark side is strong for most SEOers.
It’s easy to be pure white if you’re one of the gurus but for the rest of us the odd touch of grey to win can be appealing…

When you think of happy, unhappy or think of you when you smile in my mind wander

I have always been a big fan of black hat seo, even though its dangerous I just love breaking the rules hehe

i feel so good

Very nice story! Really better to be on the right side than on the losing side.

Poetic, and compelling with a ton of smooth strategy thrown in for good measure. Awesome post!

Great article eli. I have never really been sure on white and black hat techniques since i am fairly new to this but this explained alot to me

That is why I read this blog - awesome tactics and story.

qNice one, there is actually some good points on this blog some of my readers may find this useful, I must send a link, many thanks.

dsI so enjoyed every bit of this site and I’ve bookmarked your blog to keep up with the new topics you will post in the future.

I loved the article, it was very interesting. Just goes to show that in the marketing world of SEO, you have to do what ever it takes to get to number one. The white hat SEO techniques win hands down each time.

This was very informative. I have been reading your blog a lot over the past few days and it has earned a place in my bookmarks.

A great topic. Let’s be honest, there are not many sites which succeed with total white hat tactics, even if the intention is god. SEO is a game, albeit a skilled one. It’s all about staying just the right siode of the fence.

I do agree with all of the ideas you have presented in your post. They’re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are too short for newbies. Could you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post.

Absolutely loved your post here, thanks for all the excellent tips on SEO.

Awesome tale. White and black side must know each others methods to succeed.

Prefer a baseball hat myself.

I’ve been meaning to start a video blog for some time now

keep it up
thanx

There’s a pervading myth in the SEO industry that if you practice “whitehat” or “ethical” SEO, Google will pat you on the head and will reward you with excellent rankings. It’s simply not true and not only does it confuse the real issues involved, it also attracts all sorts of gut level so called SEO experts with religious and moralistic overtones.

If you rely on Google organic traffic for your online business model, you should realize that there’s a serious conflict of interest at play: your business model requires good rankings to achieve revenues, while Google couldn’t care less about your revenue. All they care about is your labor intense content to expand their database to create more attractive search results. As an online business you’re always being shortchanged: if your business goes belly up because Google updated their algorithms, Google will simply feature someone else in their SERPs without thinking twice about you.

The convoluted debate that blackhat is risky and whitehat is safe is ludicrous to the extreme. There is no guarantee by Google that whitehat SEO will provide you good rankings. Like there is no guarantee that if you have good rankings, Google will ensure that you enjoy ranking consistency after an update.

Ethical or whitehat behavior only makes sense amongst equals. So, as an online business, are you really an equal to Google? No, you’re not – the odds are stacked solidly against you. In fact, as long as SEO experts and search engines cannot agree by mutual consent on rigorously enforced TOS, worrying about the so called “ethics” is in reality a mere pastime for self-appointed prophets whom enjoy self-righteously sermonizing others.

it’s like a fairytale

Excellent story!

This was a excellent story, not very Biblical but quite dramatic. Mind if i write a movie script on this?

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Great Post, quite interesting i might say

Lol yeah

A fairytale in real life xD

Keep it up Eli

Yes, This is a really great idea for building links.

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Eli ur articles are quite interesting

Good Luck

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Thanks for this article, very interesting.

Poetic, and compelling with a ton of smooth strategy thrown in for good measure. Awesome post!

the white and the black hats are dominating the seo world now… believe me?

Great story, I would have had to just throw in the towel on this and settled for second or worse

The Black Hatter And The White Hatter is the biggest thing that webmaster talk about all the time.

it is always very debatable between these 2 techniques. really hard to differentiate them at times!

Whitehat is always better
thanks

First no one wants to do black hat, but problem is people don’t know what they do to get rank. Every post you write is amazing like this one.

Great stuff Eli. I really enjoy reading your posts.

I hink i got the moral and some good tips im gonna be trying out.

Thanks for sharing this post with us. Your site is great.

These two has its own advantages. They are actually good and effective for me. But i still prefer white hat in doing so.

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I love how you added in some solid tips. Like re-tagging an rss feed to get scooped up by mr “blackhats” and gain some free linkage.Thanks…

Great job, excelent post. thanks for sharing this with us. Hugs.

You forgot the part where the Blue hat comes out of no where and knocks the white and black hats to the 2nd and 3rd positions!

I have always been a big fan of black hat seo, even though its dangerous I just love breaking the rules hehe

Great post.
thanks

Google algorithm a perfect day. So more difficult SEO

One has to do Seo as one whishes. The results are there for long or short term investments.

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