According to the Google propaganda master, Mr. Cutts - all expired domains will be “reset” in Google shortly…

Although, he DID say Google was already doing this previously.

I prefer working from fresh domains too. Nice post again, Eli.

I have always wondered about expired domains to and whether they were worth it, Thanks for the in-depth post Eli. Also I am loving this Q&A, keep up the great work

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Yep very interesting, i had some good and some bad expired domains.

The whole idea about buying domain names worries me, but from my experience you are better off buying domains names before the expire because of the Google penalty.

Thanks for this post Eli. I agree with you completely, instead of worrying about the age of a site, work on things you actually CAN control.

Great post. I purchased a domain from tdnam recently without doing any research on its background. After 6 weeks of the homepage not even being indexed in Google I realized the domain had been pretty severely blacklisted. After some research I found out why.

So I totally agree with you Eli, the value of the domains does not come just from the age. The value comes from those links you might be getting.

And very interesting comment about the pre-Christmas drop in saturation levels, I have been noticing that on a couple sites and thought it might be a problem with my sites. Guess I will wait it out for a bit…

I’d like to add to the debate on expired names in your forum, Eli. Is there any spaces available?

Also, from recent experience, using fresh domains is back in… just need a number of quality links.

there is no bluehat forum. There’s a private squirt forum but the bluehat forum came and gone a long time ago.

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“Because the beautiful thing about age factors are, they are done for you.”

Eli I love your way of article writing. The agefactor is truly the only thing which is done by itself on a webproject.

This is they reason why i often have an idea, buy a domain and then it is around for 1-2 years. it doesn´t hurt me because the older it is the better it is

From my experience, when I bought expired domain even with existing backlings it usualy dropped down. But I have domain which has traffic comming to it all the time and I am just thinking this is good source when 1 year I recieve traffic even it is different page already.

Yeah, it is better to start off with a new domain, who knows if the old domain was dropped due to suspension?

I have found that new url seems to get the most the quickest. With old you may not get the keywords you want in a domain

yep also made my experience with old domains and i switched ti virgin ones again. i just buy old domains if i find really really good ones.

I am not sure as how it helps, I have few domains which I can use but not sure the best way to use them

hmmmm

It’s funny that I found this post, because I just came across an expired domain that is used by a totally different company to market various products.

I was trying to find information about a homebuilder, the website–http://www.contravest.cc/–is now full of affiliate links. The first two are titled “contra” and “vest”; when you click on “contra” you are brought to a different website that provides links to buy Contra, the old Nintendo game (one of my personal favorites)!

I just thought this was funny, and thought I’d share!

Sorry for submitting the same story twice… when I didn’t see it appear at the bottom of the comment list I thought I did something wrong.. my fault! Please delete this and the previous post from me. Thank you.

Nice post, but it not new for me

Great ideas here

I have been working with expired domains in the past but could not achieve so much success. May be after reading this post I may give it another chance.

We buy lots of old domains. The really good ones have the quality signals you need for a start. Load up a site and then blast the rest with shit links. If you know what you are looking for the authority is instantly there to be exploited. Would rather not say how we get them though. If you want to save a year of fucking around I would look into it.

Will there be more updates?

I stay away from snagging domains unless I know the history of the domain.

If I can snag something decent that I or a friend know of, I’ll be over the moon but at the same time I don’t want to invest hours of my time only to find out that some fool has done dodgy tactics on the site 3 years ago and it’s still being penalized because of it.

If you click a link to another blog and end up at a parked domain - you know, with nothing but ads - is that domain available cheap and easy? If so - after all, you clicked the link to it, so others might.

Great idea. Thanks

It sounds like it’s sleeting, but every time I turn on the outside light & look, nothings happening.

I’ve been looking into this a little.

I hear also that Google is resetting PR on expired domains.

However if a domain still has a lot of inbound links / was getting a lot of traffic prior to expiration, then you are going to get “accidental” pageviews.

There are of course various ways to monetize these - affiliate links, parking, 301 redirect, putting the name up for sale etc.

The % clickthrough from an “accidental” pageview is quite small… so I wonder how easy it would be to to grab domains which “pay their rent” and then some without running the risks involved in linking them to your other sites. Probably difficult… anyone doing this?

As Eli said, you don’t know the past history of the site although you can use wayback machine to find out *some* info before using the site to link to your network - but you have to know what you are looking for.

Another factor to consider is of course if the domain name is *keyword* - then you will get type-in traffic.

I had a domain which I no longer wanted, it was very specific by name, although it had a PR3, (it had had a PR 4 a few months earlier) someone bought it and I looked at it recently, it still has PR3 based on the original links, so sometimes it can work well for you

Very good information. But can you help me understand that if the PR of expired domain would be still carried forward if you are building a new content site on the expired domain. Wouldn’t the search engine reset the PR. I guess if you are building a site related to the expired domain niche then the PR juice should be carried forward??? What do you think.

Well I bought some expired domains last month and recently I found that the PR is dropped from PR3 -> PR2/PR1 now…

I bought some expired domains last month and recently I found that the PR is dropped from PR3 -> PR2/PR1 now…

Hmmm…it’s a very strange thing

Usually the just drop all the way to 0

Thanks

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Just want to say thanks for this great blog. I’m an engineering student graduating this year, but I can’t seem to get a decent job. So it’s kind of nice to learn how to screw the system legally. Hopefully I can score some cash using SEO and not have to live out of a cardboard box. Cheers.

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thanks for the tactics…

thanks

I guess as you stated there are pros and cons to buying expired domains, but the question is, Is it worth it?

Make sure you don’t change registrants or you wipe out the old profile.

It is 2 hard to purchase these things now

You may go ahead with buying an old domain names, but you check out links for that domain and current status of the domain.

Yeah, buying an old domain is usually a bad tactic,
if it has good pr than it would be costly for you.
And if it has good pr though it linking to bad links will not help you.

Great resource with old domains can be found at olddomains.net . Google resets the PR of such deleted domains but the backlinks are still valid and they can bring a lot of traffics. You can also have some soe profit from them after a while.

I think expired domain are quite useless in the short run. They may well regain their link juice layer however.

domain aging factor is important but buying old domain may not help much. old domains with relevant business only useful with its backlinks.

i was thinking of buying old domains, but after reading this post i don;t think i’ll bother. i’ll just use more effort in developing my current domains.

I can see the SEO benefits to buying expired domains.. but it just seems to me that there is a lot of competition for acquiring these domains..

I would rather focus on making my current domains rank higher and have better content than to waste time with older/expired domains.

I had bought a decade old domain never dropped thinking that i would get better rankings but it didn’t help. If you want to purchase an old domain then buy one which has got backlinsk from established sites or it would be better to work with new websites rather than wasting your hard earned money on old domains being sold at high price

good help, I agree not worth a bother.

I am very interested in getting a used domain or expired domain. But, there are a lot of factors that need to consider. Good conversation going on here on expired domains. One of my friend bought expired domain that have backlinks from adults sites. It is really a bad PR for his domain. I think we all should check first on the results in search engine before we get the expired domain.

Well, it’s not just about links. Buying an aged domain can mean possibly avoiding the dreaded sandbox which a new site can be stuck in for a few month. Also, Google seems to favor older domains and see them as having more credibility.

Google seems to favor older aged domains. So by getting an aged domain you can also avoid the dreaded sandbox that new sites might have to go through.

i would rather have a domain with the name of my liking that i can build from scratch than worring about messing with a pre given domain from a previous owner…just me though.

I’ve actually had a lot of experience in trying to get new domains to rank well and IMO the most influential factor is the quality of links and relevant anchor text. Everything else is just a cherry on the top - like the fact that you have an aged domain.

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Thanks for this post Eli.

I don’t know why many people really hate dropped domains but all i know is that choosing wisely is the key to have a good drop domain. I always develop them and make a living.

Good tips on expired domains.

Aged domains can be good, but I agree that if the history is unknown it can cause problems for the new owner.

Nice expired domain secrets.

Actually, it is not bad to buy expired, many of them have rank, age and backlinks, you just have to make sure they are clean and have good history.

Great insights. Thanks.

Thanks for this, I’ve been looking for something similar.

“The problem I have with it is the unpredictability” I couldn’t agree more, and most seem to be already banned. I was trying to buy expired domains in the past to get a head start but have since decided not to for this very reason.

If You are looking for and old domain [5] olddomains.net is a great place to fine one. It have all informations about domain history like last PR, backlinks number, last alexa rank before drop and keyword popularity from domain phrase name. It’s an open database project so anyone can take any domain and register it at any registrar service. This page is just the source of informations about interesting drops

Great posting… Thanks

Its very good information for me because i thinking of purchasing one expired domain but now i am going to make full inquiry regarding it…

Nice posting!
great article.
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Thanks for such great thoughts which you shared through your article.

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I mistakenly registered a search phrase domain, set up a site and found the domain banned from google. I requested they reissue it and eventually they did

You can get some well linked domains for yourself after the expired list comes out

If you can find a search phrase domain with links then you have hit the jackpot

Not if you get it up quickly with a bot of content

A good post as usual full of great tips and observations

You are actually fortunate, quite often a crews awards

Thanks for such great thoughts which you shared through your article.

Do you set up in the 100’s of subdomains or in the 1,000’s of subdomains (or maybe more) per domain?

Hi Eli,

thank you for your articles, I am eagerly waiting for SEO Empire Part II.
In the case you have not enough questions ( which I doubt ), here is another one:

What can you do to trick the human quality raters of google to let your automated Madlib site pass their (probably superficial) investigation?

Its very good information for me

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You’re right, you still need to create site from scratch.

But it definitely helps having indexed domain with lots of links when it comes to SEO.

Hmm..never considered building my websites on expired and old domains.

It sure sounds interesting though! Perhaps I will go this way with my next project.

Can you build back links faster (without penalty) with old domains than with new domains?

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I bought some expired domains last month and recently I found that the PR is dropped from PR3 -> PR2/PR1 now…

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If you can find a search phrase domain with links then you have hit the jackpot

and this is very important. domains will bring you money in the future.

Expired domains are full of gold!! Literally.

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The domain age is somehow less relevant in today’s context.

Google already understands that and placing more emphasis on activity than an old domain hanging there with no updates.

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Drop catching old domains with PR and backlink profiles is turning into an extremely powerful SEO tool - highly recommended.

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…all expired domains will be “reset” in Google shortly…

Is it happened since?

I have to say I have picked up some fantastic expired domains… there are some real gems out there if you know how to do your homework, move fast and monitor the dropped domain lists like a hawk.

is it the older the better?

I have found that they don’t seem to rank so well once they are in the expired category. I also notice that aged domains with PR are not ranking as well. I bought a PR2 aged domain and used a domain I have had for a year and the newer one is only one page below the older one, with fewer backlinks.

Is there a remedy for Google insanity? They drive me nuts!

I do agree with all of the ideas you have presented in your post. They’re really convincing and will definitely work. Still, the posts are too short for newbies. Could you please extend them a bit from next time? Thanks for the post.

It doesn’t matter if the expired domain has any backlinks.. Google will reset it after a new ownership.

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You could probably get a lot of hits from old expired domains

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yes Eli,it just takes a bit of patience and they will reinstate it if it has good content.

Content is king my friend! Hasn’t anyone told you?

not only content is king, there are other factors also which has high priority. But content has some more weightage.

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Don’t discriminate against old domains, it’s not nice.

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Thanks for this post Eli.

Thanks for such great thoughts which you shared through your article.

i have lots of old domains in my registrar and they are not having traffic at all. time to give them up.

yes

such domains usually don’t rank that well but i found some expired domains really generates real human traffic.

Great post.
I love expired domains.
You can find some great findings there

Thank you for sharing this. Old domains are really a problem to web masters. They fatten up the folder with unvisited pages.

Good question and answer, Thank for this knowledge

You can find some great findings there

Thanks this useful information. Good for newbie as me

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All back links must be maintained and occasionally add a new link to the page.

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