Let’s take a moment and chat. No secrets or techniques this time, I just want to take a post and discuss my own personal strategies for consistently dominating almost every niche I enter. Instead of creating an objective and methodologies I’m just going to casually write and talk some details, because of course my strategies require quite a bit of work and aren’t for everyone. I’m not one of those lazy ass Internet marketers that only works a few hours a week. In fact I work my fuckin ass off and no less than 60-70 hours/week. So feel free to jump in on this discussion with your own thoughts just as long as you take what I say equally as lightly as I write it. I already understand my approach isn’t for everyone. Please don’t remind me.
Anytime I approach a middle to heavy weight niche I try to look at the current SERPS sensibly and take the idealism they present with a grain of salt. The intent is that they rank your sites upon a mixture of their quality and relevancy. When the reality is they rank the sites upon their authoritativeness and subject coverage. Tamato, tomato right? Well….no. That’s like saying a “person with good qualities” is a “good quality person.” Regardless of how many people it fools, it’s still false. It’s these subtle differences that gives those of us without a registered 1998 domain a chance. With that right and the lack of proof that even an algorithm can count to infinity everything becomes part of a nice little scale. I don’t have to be big, I just have to be larger than the rest.
With that new perspective I stand a smaller chance of running uphill in the mud with my work. Sometimes people rush into a niche too eagerly. I’ve done it so many times. I just create a site based on some keywords and keep building and building on it while getting nowhere. The other sites just seem to have too large of a head start and have already had time to build up momentum faster than I can catch up. It seems like an endless cycle which often times has a much easier and quicker path; I am just too bull headed and committed to see it. So now that we got the right mental approach let’s review what we’re up against.
For this fictitious example we’re faced with a top 15 consisting of four or five very large old community sites on the subject. Also, a few informational sites with lots of pages and inbound links(a range of 7k-45k). There also seems to be a couple shithead subpages. By shithead subpages I’m of course affectionately referring to major authoritative sites that have a page on the matter, such as Wikipedia, About.com, and Amazon. Within these results the average domain age is 6 years. The domain age range is 5-10 years. Alright, so I got quite the project ahead of me. Let’s analyze what I’ll need. The presence of subpages in the results tells me that “subject coverage” factors aren’t highly required because in this case Google luckily believes that a single page written by a punk editor is more relevant than an entire site dedicated to the subject due to domain authority. However, I’ll keep the subject coverage factors in my back pocket because they’ll help me deliver the final kill once we catch up. Catching up? Hmm. there’s an interesting dilemma. I got some serious age and authoritative competition to deal with. Even if I create an absolutely huge site and get tons of inbound links quickly I could still get stuck treading water with the sharks for the next 3-4 years. In the interest of getting paid I have to figure out a better way of generating huge amounts of authority.
There’s more than one way to get a job done. Sometimes you got to ask yourself a rhetorical question. Whats the fastest way to move a bunch of dirt, one giant bulldozer or a half dozen or so small bulldozers? A logical person would realize the flaw in the question. The answer doesn’t depend on the bulldozers. It depends on the dirt. In this instance I obviously can’t use one giant site with lots of power, I’d just be fighting muscle with muscle and get nowhere. I need to beat them in sheer numbers. Like a bunch of midgets on a bear. So I got this awesome ideal website in my head that I would love to build for this niche. It would cover just about every aspect of the niche and absolutely rock. Unfortunately after looking at the competition I realize and accept the fact that it’s a bad business model. So I have to break it up and remodel.
Let the destruction begin. First thing I do is break apart the entire site into primary sections. For instance if the site has a forum, that becomes a new site. If the site has a blog, boom another separate site.
If I got an articles and informational section or even a shop, same thing. I tear the entire site apart into separate and focused sites and bundle them together as part of a mid-sized network of sites. So for this example I ended up with between 15-20 separate mid to large sites that are all interlinked and cross promoting as part of a tight network within the niche. I build up each site with a different template and fluff it with some extra pages and content. If some of the sites are really lacking I’ll take one section and break up all the content and divide it amongst the sites. I think we’re just about ready to create some authority.
Lets review the dynamics of what we now got. Each site has X amount of authority. So if we have 20 sites we have Xx20 total authority. If we give Site #1 an inbound link it gains a little authority. So Site #1 is X+1 authority. Since Site #1 now has some authority it can call out other sites and as part of it’s recommendation can help them gain authority themselves. So since we gave Site #1 some authority, by proxy, sites 2-19 also gained slight amounts of authority themselves. This creates a nice little leech and donate relationship amongst the network. When one site raises in the SERPS it’ll naturally try to help pull the others up with it. Hey! Bring my buddies to!
Each site is working in synergy to raise the other sites within the network’s authority faster and more efficiently. If you are under the initial impression that authority points are strictly an average amongst all the sites on the net than that would mean the total sum of all the pages would equal a relative 0. Therefore there would be sites with negative authority of equal part to sites with positive authority. Naturally that is untrue, sites can and do help build each other’s authority rating. If you’re with me so far you can see where this is headed, and that is straight through the Relevant Link Wall.
You got to love the supposedly nonexistent brick wall of relevant links. Dipshits on newbie forums love telling people, “don’t worry about the rankings, just build some relevant links and they’ll come.” So you do just that, after all they have over 4,000 posts on that forum, it can’t all be complete garbage advice. At first it’s totally working, your gaining a good 50-200 very relevant links a day. You submit to directories and score a bunch of links from your competitors. After a couple weeks you even manage to score some big authority links within your niche. Suddenly it all starts to slow down. The sites that are willing to link already have, and the rest are holding firm. You’ve just hit the Relevant Link Wall. Don’t bother going back for further advice. They don’t have any, and if they did they are too busy trying to rank for Kitty Litter Paw Prints to help. On the plus side with the power of my network I just pushed my proverbial wall back quite a ways. Where it was previously at around 1,700-3,000 links its now around 40k in total. Giving me some huge authority. So now my network is scattered around the 20-50 position range in the SERPS. With the pansy sites out of the way I just need a bit more of an authoritative push to go play with the big boys. So I’ll need to create a second much larger network to make the final shove.
Volume is my key strategy here. I don’t care about building up these other sites or even getting links to them. I just want them indexed and get their links to count. So I create a nice little blog network using free blog hosts on authority domains. I may even do some clean parasite hosting and push for some authoritative small links. Any relevant links I can find to make that last push up the hill and into the top 30 positions. Unfortunately this will be a struggle and take some time I don’t feel like wasting. I got to work double time and get some link power from some preexisting non-relevant sites within my arsenal.
For this I’ll use the rule of three and link to my network from a few other sites of mine that already rank high in the targeted engines. This will help the links on the individual sites within my network have more outbound link weight, so they can give more authority to other sites within the network. By policy I never allow these other sites to join the network, so they only link to one of the sites within the network and never get a link back. Otherwise the other sites within the network would gain less overall authority. It’s better to push all it’s weight to one single site and let that site boost the other sites within the network. So now our network is sitting between the 7-30 positions. They may be a bit scattered and thats okay as long as we break into that top 10 with at least a site or two. If at this point I’m coming close but still can’t quite break through I may have to resort to sabotage. Nothing says successful sabotage like slowly removing the outbound links on that ranking Wikipedia page and labeling them as Spammy links in the edit history. I know it’s a bitch move and the link may just go back up but nothing is greater than when the webmaster notices the traffic loss and checks to see why their Wikilink was gone and is like, “Fuck you Wiki, you think my site is spammy? Fine, there goes your backlink ya bitch.” <-- Hehe may be in more words or less. Hey, sometimes you gotta do what you got to do, and if that means doing sneaky underhanded stuff like convincing About.com authors that the page is in the wrong category and should relocate the article to a more suitable one, than so be it.
Just don't take it too far and pretend to be the owners of those sites and harass directory editors because you feel like your site should be listed above the competitions', then call them morons when they try to explain alphabetization. Just get that booty into the top 10.
So now, like a girlfriend's hair dryer, I'm in and under the radar. Time to prove that my sites are the most relevant by expanding the content on the 2-5 sites that made it into the top 15. Now is the perfect time to shake up the industry by releasing a new feature on your site that the others don't have. The other webmasters and the 3-4 community forums that are already in have taken notice of my sites by now so I need to give them something to talk about. I'll focus on these primarily top sites and leave the others to push authority of those sites up. Perhaps by organizing my NOFOLLOW tags more efficiently? This is also usually when I'll steal little portions of content from the few sites that fell through the cracks in the rankings and put them up on my top 5-10 sites. Suddenly my number one site will need a featured blog and the blog site will quit updating so often. I may even spend a little time focusing on some Market Bait. Once I got 4-7 of my sites within my network into the top 10 I’m in like Flint, grab my cash, and move on to the next niche.
All I got to do from here is watch for other Pros attempting to do the same thing to me. They are usually pretty easy to spot when they email you from several different email accounts begging for links in a similar way.
If these strategic thoughts are starting to sound familiar, but you’re not sure from where; I can explain. Have you ever had one of those sites that have always ranked well for their keywords? Then suddenly over the course of a week or so your site just deranks like crazy. All these new sites pop in to the top 10 and your left like WTF? First you glance around and wonder if something is wrong with your site. Nothing out of the usual, in fact it’s quite odd for such a consistently ranking site to drop like that. So you assume it must be some engine update. You do some research, but no one reporting anything too strange other than the few usual paranoid one hit wonder eccentrics screaming Damn Big Daddy! So you chalk it up to a possible algorithm change. Sure that must be it.
Jeez that was a long post and I read it word for word. I’m still trying to grasp how large are these broken up sites supposed to be? I’m going to reread a few more times. Thanks eli
Breaking up the site into a network wasn’t so much the technique as it was the strategy. For the example I wanted to show how to conquer an extremely tough ass market. I guess to answer the question I’ll quote the post, “I don’t have to be big, I just have to be larger than the rest.” That is beside the point though. I saw a weakness in the SERPS and that was the content coverage. So I tried to match every other factor the best I could then use the weakness to rise above. The opposite could be true. For instance lets say I run into results that have Youtube videos. The obvious weakness in that niche would be the site structure. So the entire strategy would have to change. In that instance I would use one large site and break down certain sections into subdomains and use very clean mod-rewrites to establish the structure. Perhaps through a catchall domain. I would then use heavy deeplinking to the separate pages and analyze the Youtube video’s for who links to that particular video. Grabbing a higher volume of links plus the enhanced structure and deeplinking would become my strategy. That would give the upper hand and the edge I would need to beat em out.
It’s all how you approach it not just finding a one size fits all solution. Yes though, I do a ton of network built sites.
The first step you mention seems to be building up a network. That means purchasing different domain names, right?
Yes it does. Keep them all within the niche and preferably with the keywords.
Eli, you’re wonderful
Thanks for answering my totally dumb question so patiently. Your blog’s been one of my inspirations to learn a lot, and quickly. And hey, I’ve already learnt enuff that I realize how basic my “domain” question was.
Of course, I’ll probably be back with more dumb questions since I’m going through your archives
Best article I’ve read on any subject for a long time. Thanks.
NP, boy I’m getting good at these long ass rants. Thanks for putting up with so much damn text. I’d personally run far and fast from any blog that made me read so damn much.
Amazing article again,thanks Eli.
Two questions i got:when you link from your “large second Network” into your “niche network”,do you concentrate all inbounds on one site and let it spreed
itself the authority among the others? or do you target a few,or even all, inside the network to do the job?
Other thing,would it be wise to host those “20″ sites on different class C IPs ?
Honestly, I target them in groups. I pick the sites within the network that are the closest to the same content and I group them with the ones that are the furthest away if that makes sense. Then I link heavily and in bunches.
Do class-c’s matter? hmm good question. From my understanding they help but also no harm will come from the same IP. Have I ever seen any hard evidence that supports the Class-C theory? Absolutely not.
Nice article. This is the kind of stuff that you can chew on for a while. How-to’s are great, but the insight into the strategy and thought process is worth it’s weight in visits. Thanks man.
Have you done this with a network of all fresh domains? Or do you always need some aged ones in the mix?
I like to age my domains for 8 months before I use them. This isn’t so much a policy as it is I write my project guidelines and outlines long before I have a chance to actually finish them. haha, I realize that either shits all over my I’m not lazy statement or it proves I have too much work on my plate. That aside I really have no problem with brand new domains. Whether or not the sandbox even exists anymore, I’m not sure. Eitherway who cares. I’m not a stats freak, I’ll build and build and if it works out great, if not I’ll fix it when i get time. Waiting for a domain to age is no excuse not to get your work done.
As always, some of the highest quality writing on the internet. Thanks for sharing.
I love ranting about SEO, thanks for listening
Dan Kennedy once said: “If you can’t beat them, beat them” I guess this sums up your article pretty well…
Today I’ll rank for “knitting using recycled yarn”, tomorrow “Viagra”!
Thanks, Eli.
“recycled yarn” is the new “cash advance”
yep, anyone not jumping on this cash cow is really missing out
Ugh, that sounds a little gross. Not nearly as bad as the book I saw the other day about making yarn with your dog or cat’s hair, though.
Excellent post. Anyone who is considering jumping head first into the business should be forced to read this. It’s no wonder you work 60-70 hours a week because that is what it takes to really evolve these networks and constantly push for the top 10.
does it matter if these site share an ip?
They’ll still have the effect you want… Just not carry quite as much authoritative trust.
I am trying to use this technique and it works usualy. Problem is that these keywords I target dont get much traffic
Which kind of keywords are you targeting?
Top 100, popular, long tail, very long tail, highly converting keywords or any other kind keyword strategy?
Why do you think you aren’t getting much traffic?
Strategy posts are great, but I prefer the how-to’s and hacks. The dirtier the better.
lol,
I count 1, 2, 3 very dirty sabotage tricks in there
lol, great read made me think of a few things to tweak.
I once again bow down to you oh great one.
Seriously though…great stuff as always!
‘Oh great…Eli made a new post today…guess that means no sleep for me tonight.”
I have to say it is a powerful tactic, however I usually try and speed up the process through making an acquisition or two. I wondered what your thoughts were on that? Not only can you make revenue from the sites that you buy, but it is also possible to add significant value to them through your network.
I actually couldn’t agree more. As always exercise buyer beware and don’t buy someone else’s problems, but definitely. Having an established site always helps.
Great article. Recommended by Aaron Wall (so you got a link from him.. great work). sounds kinda like a tactic that PORN sites have used for the past few years. I did try this on a small scale with poker sites in the past and it works.
That was very nice of him. I’ve never talked to him before but I’ll be sure to thank him if I do.
haha Yeah, even though I’m not into adult you’ll notice a lot of my techniques evolve from theirs. Infact I think I wrote a post about it.
Nice article, and great blog overall.
one question though: how do you go about managing all these large networks of sites.
i play around with a few small little networks of sites, but its starting to get very difficult managing it all
Nice article. Sounds like this strategy might take a little more work, but it could be worth it.
This is off topic but where did you get the ‘Reply to this comment’ plugin?
It’s called briansthreadedcomments.
It can be found on just about any wordpress plugins site.
Nice post, eli.
Really nice to see someone bring the strategy to the people.
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Great post Eli,
I learn new things every time I come here.
The first network you build is it scatered around the internet having it’s own ip’s or do you build them on 1 server?
I want to make a visual represetation of what you say here but could you take a look if I got it finished to see if I get it right?
Cheers,
Edwin
Excellent post! The Wikipedia trick is very interesting, very mean but very interesting
I love your style of writing, keep it up!
When you say you tightly link the network, does that mean each site links with all 19 other sites on every page? Or does that mean you cluster them, link from certain pages or some other method?
If you link each page to each page, I am guessing having 20 pages is about the max you can make the network without google looking at it as if there is a crazy spam technique going on…
10-20 sites is an excellent size for a network. I know it sounds weird but every network I create, I make an attempt to mimic what I consider the most proven network on the web. Which is the Lycos network. Yes linking within all the footers is great. Putting in links into the content and through the nagivation works as well. By “tightly linking” I simply mean every page on every site has a link to every other site in the network. Loosely linked would consist of content links as relevant. Everything else kind of lays imbetween.
with your 10-20 sites, how focused do you make them? For instance, if you where compeing for new car buyers, would you make all of them about that OR would you make 1 site about camrys, 1 site about mustangs, etc?
I don’t have any evidence for the class C thing, but I will say, I built a site that was doing fine (for me)… 500 uniques / day, pretty steady. I sold it to a guy and he got a new host, with the same content on it and ignored it. No new backlinks were added, but the traffic has doubled in the last 3 months (he left my tracking code on the site).
I don’t know, but I do have 1000+ sites on my shared IP. I’m tempted to credit the network.
Great article Eli! Your the true Porn Star
Hey Eli,
Saw a couple other comments on this thread regarding the interlinking. Could you give us an example of how to do that with a network of sites so as to not make it look like some spammy network?
thanks dude,
Hi , great read as always - I got two quick questions.
Do you use only unique content on your sites? I’m just wondering how bad is duplicate content going to affect my rankings if I use PLR articles/news articles?
Also, does linking from a ranked - established site of a niche to a new site of a totally different niche decrease the linking power of the link? because of the non relevance?
I join the choir: Eli is the best SEO story teller by +50k links
Like a girlfriend’s hairdrying its in under the radar- LOL. Now that was funny.
So you are the one removing all my links from wikipedia…
Nice post. I know of other people using similar techniques. Don’t like the wikipedia thing, but I am sure it works (and ticks off other people).
but wikipedia has only “nofollow” links, so they only brings you some traffic, but no linkpower, or am i false?
The little bitch move i talked about wasn’t to hurt the sites that wiki linked to, it was to hurt the actual wikipage and get ppl to drop their links
hi eli, I just made a small concept for a new network in my business (not porn (: hehe )
May I send you my concept via email for a few advancing comments?
Certainly
Wow! Simply amazing!
You are a genius. I shall dub the the Lex Luthor of SEO.
Thanks so much for the wonderful tips.
-Aoleon The Martian Girl
I just wrote a big comment, posted and forgot to answer the question.
I love your shoot from the hip style. I am one of those 1998 websites. I bought Singles Canada back then, no one had bought it and I thought I could do something with it. I have bought many domains since for the same reason and surprised there are still a few good ones out there. But for an old timer site I feel that there is a lot missing and I need a pro like you to say something like “MMMomma you got a good foundation but the house has got to go”
This sentence intrigued me “Let the destruction begin. First thing I do is break apart the entire site into primary sections.” I am ready to do that. As a relatively old timer on the net I have never sat in the SEO seat before but now I am intrigued and really want to learn as much as I can. You have peeked my interest. What would you suggest to this “old girl”
just a detail question: do you add your domains to google analytics and google webmastertools or is it better to do not?
Interesting post !
Learnt a lot of things on this blog. One question about the content..How is the content generated..unique or PLR or spun articles..?
You can have 10-20 sites in your network..but how do u get the content ?
Nice post!
How do you interlink the mini-network of 20 sites?
Do you do site-wides from all 20 to all 20?
or
Do you do home page to sub-pages?
or
Do you do sub-pages to home page?
I’m trying to figure out how to inter-link my mini-network.
Gman, read the research paper on pagerank (just google pagerank filetype:pdf). It has a great section on how pagerank is passed from page to page with a sample “Internet” of 8 showing which site would win.
The cliff notes say, dont link all to all. Particularly now that link farms are around. I think you should target a few sites as your main bread winners, a few sites as out-linkers only, and the rest (average sites) link to the bread-winners and a few of the average sites. Note that it is also important to google to be activly acquiring links. If you build it and try to just harvest the income, it will slowly die (and in the end it will die fast).
Don’t forget to build sites that you’d be proud of though (something you’d show your mom). Otherwise any gain is very short term.
So when you break down a huge site into networks, your seriously talking about breaking a site down into different “sites” and targeting the same niche? BTW, what are class-c’s?
Great info post. Many thanks. I’ve been thinking of the minisite, network, hub theory for a while. Seems the way to go, i’ll have to experiment with this.
This seems to contradict Eli where he says:
“10-20 sites is an excellent size for a network. I know it sounds weird but every network I create, I make an attempt to mimic what I consider the most proven network on the web. Which is the Lycos network. Yes linking within all the footers is great. Putting in links into the content and through the nagivation works as well. By tightly linking I simply mean every page on every site has a link to every other site in the network. Loosely linked would consist of content links as relevant. Everything else kind of lays imbetween.”
But I have never done either mini-network so looking for the success AND failures of those who HAVE done it.
Awesome, man!
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Perhaps this blog is my best-2007-finding!
Nice post, but I dont think I would go as far as doing the “underhanded” stuff you mentioned.
Eli, I’m new to websites / SEO.. Currently I’m hosting with 3rd parties.. and I’m wondering how you can build an affordable network? Are you running your own server.
Thanks for sharing your successes!
Eli, would have your babies if possible.
Hi Eli,
Thank you for posting Mark’s great article!
I tried to add to my site a vertical Adsense unit (skyscraper) & an e-mail subscribe box as explained, but I am not able to do so!
I hope that you are able to tell me which blog files I should edit here & where I need to place my (Adsense) codes?
Thanks a lot!
Mike
Hello,
Excellent post, and quite interesting.
I’m curious how you know if you should separate out the web site into multiple sites, or just into subdomains for example? I sent you an email describing the nature of my web site, and would love to hear what you would recommend.
It’s a hosting web site. I’m thinking of splitting it into the general site itself to link all of them, with some information about the company and such; a section for hosting; support; forums; blog; etc, and perhaps adding new sections if it ever expands into new markets.
Anyway it’d be great to receive feedback.
Great article eli! Dan Kennedy once said: If you can’t beat them, beat them! That’s the way to go, great stuff…
You said you like to age your domains for 8 months, and I understand that domain age has a lot to do with rankings, but if this is not an option does this seem to still have a high success percentage? SOE takes time, but some clients want to see results in competitive markets fast.
Thanks for this post. It is one of the best I’ve read in months. Any chance you could post more often?
Hi Eli,
I seriously love your site! Too many restless nights just reading non-stop.
One question regarding this though….would it be a good idea to have 20 subdomains and have them interlink like you talk about above?
Or should I stick with separate domain names? If it even matters, Im not sure. I am doing this for my site I helping my close friends with. (They are in real estate).
Thanks in advance!
Jake
Man i didn’t understand your little addition form element…arggghhh lost my latst comment….
Great post i agree with you, net wroks though time consuming must be the best way to go.
Getting straight to the point since i just lost my comment …..
* what is your opinion on page rank
- seems like a useless tool to me really except may be for vanity - page rank doesn’t get you anything.
* do you believe in no follow\ why would a search engine not follow
* and i agree networking is the best
also you wrote “So I create a nice little blog network using free blog hosts on authority domains”
is it better to blog on a seperate site
or better to blog on a sub domain of a blog ging site with a link in to your own site
better than a blog on your site or a sub domain there of?
sorry for all the questions was wondering your opinion
lol, great read! made me think of quite a few things to tweak.
What a magical post Eli, wow, I don’t often find myself reading such a long post word by word, but I was completely hooked on this one!
Big up!
I found more in this post than in months of google searches on the subject. Thanks a lot.
great read! made me think not to search I seriously love your site!
How about the content for the network.Is this unique or generated ?
If you look for SERP tool than come here http://www.affiliateprogramslocator.com/tools/se_position_check.php it search site for keywords and than make SERP.
Eli, that link is classic, I hate those internet marketers who are like “OMG i don’t even work”.
Another great post Eli!
Great read Eli. Love your blog.
Wicked! Awesome yet again!